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Keep The Spine; crucial team ..spirit focus etc
Topic Started: May 24 2011, 04:22 PM (499 Views)
birmingham200
Geoff Horsfield
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foster

davies
johnson/dann /Ridgewell ( dann and johnson may go)

ferguson
gardner

zigic
zerome

( both criticised jerome and zigic would be unplayable in the championship)
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curlyminogue
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Keep the spine, you say? We'll be lucky to be left with toenails. FGS get real, people: we are heavily in debt and to merely keep going as a viable concern we're going to have to give up so many players just keep the wage bill down. Dann, Foster, Jerome, Gardner, Johnson, ferguson ( I pray) Zigic (ditto) and possibly even beausejour will be shipped out just to keep the club afloat.
All you guys who have shrugged your shoulders and backed the sad failure responsible for this dire state of affairs are in for a real shock ere long.
The good news is that we might possibly see a few kids who try to play a bit of football before Alex can indoctrinate them with his negative poison.
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SHA007
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birmingham200
May 24 2011, 04:22 PM
foster

davies
johnson/dann /Ridgewell  ( dann and johnson may go)

ferguson
gardner

zigic
zerome

( both criticised jerome and zigic would be unplayable in the championship)

This is all nonsense. All these posts/threads about team/spine for next season.

Let's make one thing clear, the man who has relegated us twice has taken us into the Championship.

Ben Foster - too good for Premier clubs not to come in for him. True he likes the area, and he's better than anything Villa, WBA and Wolves have got. He'll end up gone.

Johnson - will go. Too ambitious.
Dann- too good for Prem clubs not to come in - probably January window due to his injury.
Davies - potential for a promoted club or Wigan.
Gardner - surely has caught the eye of many Premier clubs. Any club from 7th down although probably not Villa
Zigic - wage bii much too high, the club will put the feelers out.

So waht spine?

ps Live in the real world.
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neiloi
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On this forum a person puts forward a view. If it's in any way deemed as positive there are two people who quickly jump on to ensure the thread goes down a certain route!

But it isn't reasoned arguement - it's usually fairly abusive towards management and playing staff at the club. And it often sounds condescending about other posters - with a generally negative and rude atitude. We're mostly adults on here - but just give it a rest.
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Muntz75
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May 24 2011, 04:58 PM
Let's make one thing clear, the man who has relegated us twice has taken us into the Championship.




You love mentioning that fact dont you :LMAO:

Everytime i read one of your posts it includes that line ^^


Not having a go or moaning, its just funny.
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andyjgray
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It's not completely unrealistic to think we can keep hold of most of our players! Most of them on the longer contracts can be kept if we really want to! If what I've read is true and we are £17 million in the hole, then selling Dann and Zigic for example would probably cover that in transfer fee and wages saved, so then we can keep the rest!

Newcastle kept the majority of their team together because they wanted to fight for the club and look at them now! If you remember Jonas and Coloccini both stayed and they are Argentine internationals!

and don't forget Joey Barton, the best english midfielder in the league haha
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bcfcbod
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I reckon most of them will stay bar Johnson and maybe Dann, foster will stay loyal and Gardner will. Not really too fust if ziggy goes, it would be nice to get a striker who actually plays football.
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Grunt
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The club can keep all the players who are contracted to the club, its will show if the board have the guts to enforce this and gamble on promotion next season. If we start selling players in the 2-5 million bracket then the board have no boll****.

Lets wait and see who goes in 4 weeks time, then we can judge the direction of this club.
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neiloi
May 24 2011, 05:58 PM
On this forum a person puts forward a view. If it's in any way deemed as positive there are two people who quickly jump on to ensure the thread goes down a certain route!

But it isn't reasoned arguement - it's usually fairly abusive towards management and playing staff at the club. And it often sounds condescending about other posters - with a generally negative and rude atitude. We're mostly adults on here - but just give it a rest.

Always the same two aswell to be fair...
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saffybluenose
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we don't need to sell any of em.. dann, johnson, foster, carr, gardner, fergie, jerome - we MUST keep the nucleus of our squad together and bring in a few young hungry players.. the championship has many games.. we need numbers especially as many contracts have ran out or will be running out over the summer..

WE MUST BELIEVE - WE MUST STICK TOGETHER - WE WILL BE BACK

who knows? maybe this relegation is a blessing in disguise for our owners.. it's a learning curve they have had to adapt to.. it is a shame - no doubt about that.. but are we all not fed up with talking about doom and gloom surrounding our beloved blues? stay positive.. this season we do not necessarily need to sell any of out top stars.. make some noise and let them know!

we must learn from our mistakes and grow from our misfortunes.. we will come back - and we will be better for it.

KRO
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shultzy
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May 25 2011, 12:38 AM
we don't need to sell any of em.. dann, johnson, foster, carr, gardner, fergie, jerome - we MUST keep the nucleus of our squad together and bring in a few young hungry players.. the championship has many games.. we need numbers especially as many contracts have ran out or will be running out over the summer..

WE MUST BELIEVE - WE MUST STICK TOGETHER - WE WILL BE BACK

who knows? maybe this relegation is a blessing in disguise for our owners.. it's a learning curve they have had to adapt to.. it is a shame - no doubt about that.. but are we all not fed up with talking about doom and gloom surrounding our beloved blues? stay positive.. this season we do not necessarily need to sell any of out top stars.. make some noise and let them know!

we must learn from our mistakes and grow from our misfortunes.. we will come back - and we will be better for it.

KRO


All the players attending a meeting at Wast Hills on Monday. Mcleish had them all in one by one and told them what he thought of them and what there fate was.
He was also finding out who was stopping and who wanted to go. Those out of contract have gone,including the loans that still leaves a good squad. With the youth coming through. It has been intamated by Jerome that he is off to pastures new, and Zigic and Mcfadden to go or have a 50% pay cut as they are on £50,000. I say get rid of both aswell.
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PartisanBCFC
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MikaelForssell
May 24 2011, 07:58 PM
neiloi
May 24 2011, 05:58 PM
On this forum a person puts forward a view. If it's in any way deemed as positive there are two people who quickly jump on to ensure the thread goes down a certain route!

But it isn't reasoned arguement - it's usually fairly abusive towards management and playing staff at the club. And it often sounds condescending about other posters - with a generally negative and rude atitude. We're mostly adults on here - but just give it a rest.

Always the same two aswell to be fair...

No, MF

They have a few more allies now

Recruited frrom the other Forum.....you know the one where the banned or suspended members usually flee too .....quite a few on here post on there too (myself included although I hadn't used it for a few weeks in all honesty)

Yet they flood back here daily with new usernames to goad and attack a number of the let's say 'more ultra positive' fans on here.....Oh ! Sorry .....we SuperFans as I was referred to as I'm one of the prime targets :LMAO:

I have proof of one former member boasting how he stirred up a Hate thread and then had it deleted and who even admitted it today on the other Forum......he didn't realise it but he gave it away with one reply

Took me a while to suss it out but I've figured it out now

They goad and stir up anger on here mainly with Anti McLeish and Anti Jerome rhetoric.....then if they get suspended they get booted off but to them it is 'Never mind....that was job well done' usually followed with a jibe at the club.....or at McLeish once more as a kind of parting gesture

Then they attempt to return with new nicks to start over

If you want a name I'd be glad to furnish it by email but I would hazard a likely guess there are many , not just one

Visiting the other Forum really opened my eyes today

The basic plan is to disrupt this Forum as often as possible and have Blues fans fighting other Blues fans in the hope some kind of Internet Anarchy breaks out

Stands out a country mile

Believe me


KRO
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Parti, how many times do you have to be told before the truth hits home? It is YOU who peddles the negative line with your smug refusal to face reality. It really has not sunk home to a lot of you guys just what happened to this club on Sunday. Sure, I'm aware that most of you are aware that we have been relegated but you have failed to interpret the full implications of what this means to a club like ours.

I keep reading from so-called 'positive' posters that Blues should try and coax players like Odemwinge (for instance) from their clubs to enable us to bounce back to our rightful position in the Premiership. Why on earth should this player be remotely attracted to a club in a lower division whose manager is imfamous for his negativity and inflexibility?

'Let's keep the spine of team intact' another fantasist suggests- BeJaysus, as I've said somewhere else we'll be lucky to keep the friggin' toenails. Guys, smell the coffee! we are heavily in debt and when other clubs come knocking on a door to pick off what little quality we have in our squad whether we like it our not we are going to give them what they want. Believe me before the summer is out of squad will be thoroughly gutted and filleted until what is left are the fringe players such as Fahey and Shroot.

I'm sick to death of all you smacked out fantasists banding together to keep anything as wearisome as reality from imposing itself on your warped imaginations. Yesterday it was Larsson,Bowyer and Phillips, today it's Parnaby, tomorrow it will be Foster, Johnson, Dann, Jerome, Macfadden, Ferguson and possibly others who will be lured away from our club and their likely replacements will be fringe players from the likes of Burnley or has beens from Barnsley. Since it was Bob Dylan's birthday yesterday I feel inspired to quote a line from one of his songs: 'Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, Do you Mr Jones?

So carry on, lads: maintain your 'positivity' as you line up like lemmings on the edge of the abyss behind your noble leader and before you hit the deck with a mighty bone crunching thump pleased don't say you weren't warned.
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curlyminogue
May 25 2011, 05:54 AM
Parti, how many times do you have to be told before the truth hits home? It is YOU who peddles the negative line with your smug refusal to face reality. It really has not sunk home to a lot of you guys just what happened to this club on Sunday. Sure, I'm aware that most of you are aware that we have been relegated but you have failed to interpret the full implications of what this means to a club like ours.

I keep reading from so-called 'positive' posters that Blues should try and coax players like Odemwinge (for instance) from their clubs to enable us to bounce back to our rightful position in the Premiership. Why on earth should this player be remotely attracted to a club in a lower division whose manager is imfamous for his negativity and inflexibility?

'Let's keep the spine of team intact' another fantasist suggests- BeJaysus, as I've said somewhere else we'll be lucky to keep the friggin' toenails. Guys, smell the coffee! we are heavily in debt and when other clubs come knocking on a door to pick off what little quality we have in our squad whether we like it our not we are going to give them what they want. Believe me before the summer is out of squad will be thoroughly gutted and filleted until what is left are the fringe players such as Fahey and Shroot.

I'm sick to death of all you smacked out fantasists banding together to keep anything as wearisome as reality from imposing itself on your warped imaginations. Yesterday it was Larsson,Bowyer and Phillips, today it's Parnaby, tomorrow it will be Foster, Johnson, Dann, Jerome, Macfadden, Ferguson and possibly others who will be lured away from our club and their likely replacements will be fringe players from the likes of Burnley or has beens from Barnsley. Since it was Bob Dylan's birthday yesterday I feel inspired to quote a line from one of his songs: 'Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, Do you Mr Jones?

So carry on, lads: maintain your 'positivity' as you line up like lemmings on the edge of the abyss behind your noble leader and before you hit the deck with a mighty bone crunching thump pleased don't say you weren't warned.

What else can we do? We are powerless as supporters!

You seem intent on painting a very bleak future for blues all negative and to what end? This is the week that AFC Wimbledon got elected to the football league surely a brilliant example of fan action?

If the worse possible case scenario happened we the fans would still be here and that's the cruciial factor. If afc wimbledon can get back in 9 seasons with a much lower fan base we could too.

Sorry if this seems a tad indifferent but I am not going to get worried over something I have no control over.
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This spine will all be gone, Hopefully we can keep Gardner and build again.
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We not entirely powerless as supporters, Clapton- I'm sure that we could have influenced the board to oust McLeish if a few more had come to their senses but the damage has been done and it seems as if we are saddled with this loser for the forseeable future.

However life goes on and in the great scheme of things seeing one's team relegated to the Championship isn't the worst burden to befall a man, is it? Who knows out of the rubble something good may arise just as it did when the emergence of TF stirred everyone's imaginations at a time, frankly, when the situation was bleaker than it is now.

My biggest beef is with those who mistake so called positivity for infantile fantasy- I accept that a small majority wish for McLeish to stay but I find it difficult -if not impossible- to follow their bizarre reasoning at times.

No matter who's right and who's wrong I hope the club goes forward even if my instincts tell me hard times are ahead.
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As the saying goes... every player has his price... i think they would sell all
of them if the right offer came in ..... kro
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curlyminogue
May 25 2011, 02:48 AM


No matter who's right and who's wrong I hope the club goes forward even if my instincts tell me hard times are ahead.

Well take this however you want to

Personally I don't give a flying one what your instincts yell you


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JBCFC
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Curly I am unsure why you continue to follow blues?? Why would someone subject themselves to this week in week out.

It's not the end of the world. We won't lose the spine of the team, our owners said so yesterday, we didn't last time we dropped we meerly shipped out the dead wood and re-built.

We've been here in 2007 and 2009 and now we can do it again.

Why do some on here continue to preach hate about the blues....if you don't like it .!:/£,!;£,! Off.....saying that I doubt many of you go or have paid your dues anyway.

:kro:
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curlyminogue
May 25 2011, 05:54 AM
Parti, how many times do you have to be told before the truth hits home? It is YOU who peddles the negative line with your smug refusal to face reality. It really has not sunk home to a lot of you guys just what happened to this club on Sunday. Sure, I'm aware that most of you are aware that we have been relegated but you have failed to interpret the full implications of what this means to a club like ours.

I keep reading from so-called 'positive' posters that Blues should try and coax players like Odemwinge (for instance) from their clubs to enable us to bounce back to our rightful position in the Premiership. Why on earth should this player be remotely attracted to a club in a lower division whose manager is imfamous for his negativity and inflexibility?

'Let's keep the spine of team intact' another fantasist suggests- BeJaysus, as I've said somewhere else we'll be lucky to keep the friggin' toenails. Guys, smell the coffee! we are heavily in debt and when other clubs come knocking on a door to pick off what little quality we have in our squad whether we like it our not we are going to give them what they want. Believe me before the summer is out of squad will be thoroughly gutted and filleted until what is left are the fringe players such as Fahey and Shroot.

I'm sick to death of all you smacked out fantasists banding together to keep anything as wearisome as reality from imposing itself on your warped imaginations. Yesterday it was Larsson,Bowyer and Phillips, today it's Parnaby, tomorrow it will be Foster, Johnson, Dann, Jerome, Macfadden, Ferguson and possibly others who will be lured away from our club and their likely replacements will be fringe players from the likes of Burnley or has beens from Barnsley. Since it was Bob Dylan's birthday yesterday I feel inspired to quote a line from one of his songs: 'Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, Do you Mr Jones?

So carry on, lads: maintain your 'positivity' as you line up like lemmings on the edge of the abyss behind your noble leader and before you hit the deck with a mighty bone crunching thump pleased don't say you weren't warned.

Good points Curley. I believe everyone on this forum wants the very best for this club. We may have different (in some cases VERY different) views and opinions about how the club should move forward, and what the future might look like, but the best interests of BCFC are in everyone's hearts.

I really do admire and respect the positivity of many people on this forum... hell we all HAVE to have some degree of optimism otherwise we'd give up all hope. BUT... optimism has to be tempered with a good dose of reality too. The problem is that until something actually happens... some people just won't believe it or won't even consider it. Why does this happen? Well... it's because everyone's optimism is based on their own particular 'wants' and 'wishes'. Some people either can’t or don’t want to consider anything other than what they want for the club. Without being derogatory, I would refer to these people as ‘blind optimists’.

You can easily spot the ‘blind optimists’ - scan these boards and see those who refused to even consider relegation despite the alarming downturn in form over the last 40 or so league games. Those people playing ‘fantasy football’ with regard to the players we could/should buy. Those who highlight the few successes that McLeish has achieved – yet turn a blind eye to the fact that we have actually moved backwards under his tenure. Those who suggest we will win the Europa Cup… get promoted back to the PL at the first attempt… and storm the Championship scoring 100+ goals on the way. Those who confidently predict that we will keep all of our best players (and sign more!) regardless of the implications of relegation. And those who refuse to accept that, despite the alarm bells ringing loudly, there are significant financial issues at the club. These are the ‘blind optimists’… and it’s all based on what they ‘want’ rather than what is ‘realistic’.

OK… I know I’m going to be labelled as a ‘doom merchant’ or ‘McLeish knocker’ or whatever. Actually, I’m not even a pessimist. I’m actually an optimist by nature - but my optimism is certainly not ‘blind’. It’s far more pragmatic and realistic. Call it my defence mechanism. Because after 40+ years of supporting the club I have discovered that being a ‘blind optimist’ (which I used to be) only leads to disappointment based on unrealistic expectations!
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May 25 2011, 07:17 AM
Curly I am unsure why you continue to follow blues?? Why would someone subject themselves to this week in week out.

It's not the end of the world. We won't lose the spine of the team, our owners said so yesterday, we didn't last time we dropped we meerly shipped out the dead wood and re-built.

We've been here in 2007 and 2009 and now we can do it again.

Why do some on here continue to preach hate about the blues....if you don't like it .!:/£,!;£,! Off.....saying that I doubt many of you go or have paid your dues anyway.

:kro:

I've paid my dues alright but I certainly won't be going until McLeish is shown the door. You tell me I preach hate and then in the next sentence you tell me to **** off! (A small contradiction there, I feel)

As ever I hope my dire prophecies turn out to be unfounded but I feel saddened by the announcement that McLeish will be retained. As far it goes I DON'T hate McLeish - he's a likeable articulate man, but I DO pretty much loathe the way his team plays. It is cowardly and reeks of an inferiority complex and as such I find nothing either admirable or remotely entertaining about our style of play. For all I have said and written I continue to hope for the best whilst fearing the worst.

(If the above is your idea of hate then you really should go back to school)
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JBCFC
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Good post bournville, no doubt you've labelled me as a 'blind optimist' but in reality I look at history, take stock of recent club comments and then make my view.

I wasn't sure about relegation I must admit, I thought we would stay up by default with Blackpool and wigan losing but that wasn't to be.

As far as winning the Europa league goes, well I'd love it but my post was simply to keep spirits up, too much doom and gloom and too many 'fans' with no positive things to say, I am suspicious with certain members joining very recently.

With regard promotion yes I do believe we will achieve this first time, history repeating itself.

And players well looking at kev's comments he thinks 10 will go and I agree, a big name or 2 but no more, foster said he wants to stay Gardner will and eck won't let dan go for peanuts and whose going to cough up 10/15 million for a player whose been injured half the season? Well that's a big risk if anyones willing to take it. So with 3 already gone, k.p parnaby and Martin j, I think we will lose seb, bowyer, Johnson, Jerome, maybe zigic, Doyle or Taylor and obviously all our loan players.

Anyway k.r.o
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Roger Jones
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It seems to me that this is all speculation. We don't really know what is going on behind the scenes. Only time will tell:

(1) If any players are really loyal to BCFC

(2) If CY (and Co) really have the Club's future at heart or are just treating us as a plaything.

The next three months will reveal all!
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JBCFC
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Well curly after putting up with your and mallams posts for the last month or so I do really wonder. You never see a positive side and slate the club and eck and any given opportunity, any pro eck post or positive post is shot down.

I used the term preaching hate in jest.

K.r.o
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curlyminogue
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Of course I see positive sides to the club- not many, it must be said, but I do see 'em. I was delighted to see Curtis Davies perform so well on Sunday because in my view he has the potential to be a better player than RJ will ever be if only he ( Davies) can eradicate the costly mistakes.

I like the look of Nathan Redmond and look forward to tracking his development in the coming season and I have similar hopes for Jordon Mutch. As I mentioned in earlier post I saw the flowering of TF's talent when we were in the old Div 2 attracting crowds of 13,000. (after six months of Francis those crowds shot up to 50,000.)

If you ask me what my greatest wish for Birmingham City would be I can reply quite truthfully that I would love to see us establish ourselves as a Premiership side and to supplant the Vile as the city's major team.
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