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Dann And Jerome To Stoke; Merged
Topic Started: Jun 24 2011, 03:47 PM (7,870 Views)
dekaz- KRO
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cam cant finish. its like owning a tin opener that wont open tins.

not only that, but how many goals has cameron directly assisted in his time at st andrews? id be interested to see that.

in my opinion, its time for a change. he was part of the team that relegated us, so he's obviously not that special.
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dekaz- KRO
Jul 2 2011, 01:43 AM
cam cant finish. its like owning a tin opener that wont open tins.

not only that, but how many goals has cameron directly assisted in his time at st andrews? id be interested to see that.

in my opinion, its time for a change. he was part of the team that relegated us, so he's obviously not that special.

Well he got the most assists this season, that's a fact, I can't find out how many it was which is convenient :D but it used to be on the premier league site, he has little goals because of tactics and if you didn't admit that you are just lying to yourself (not directly aiming at you, but anyone)

EDIT: I found it and he has 7 assists, the most in the prem last season was Nani with 18, Jerome is 24th highest assister in the prem last season, Larsson comes behind Jerome on 6 assists.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics - choose assist in the drop down bar and it is on the second page.
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Jul 2 2011, 01:49 AM
dekaz- KRO
Jul 2 2011, 01:43 AM
cam cant finish. its like owning a tin opener that wont open tins.

not only that, but how many goals has cameron directly assisted in his time at st andrews? id be interested to see that.

in my opinion, its time for a change. he was part of the team that relegated us, so he's obviously not that special.

Well he got the most assists this season, that's a fact, I can't find out how many it was which is convenient :D but it used to be on the premier league site, he has little goals because of tactics and if you didn't admit that you are just lying to yourself (not directly aiming at you, but anyone)

EDIT: I found it and he has 7 assists, the most in the prem last season was Nani with 18, Jerome is 24th highest assister in the prem last season, Larsson comes behind Jerome on 6 assists.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics - choose assist in the drop down bar and it is on the second page.

A lot of people do not see the other work Jerome does like making runs to draw defenders off, running down the channels, but will always look at his golas tally, which as a striker people will I'm afraid.

But I still do feel if Jerome was playing in a more attacking side and gave him a striking partner we may just see the player show what he really is capable of.

As I can see it now, Jerome will leave and start scoring freely due to the manager playing to his strenghts.

Yes we all get fustrated at some of his finishing, but down the year here at Birmingham we have had the same with so many strikers, who then have gone on perform better at another club.

Anyone Remember Kieth Bertshin, a striker who would put his head where most would never think about putting their foot, a brave player, but got the most horrendous stick from the crowd, yet scored many vital goals for us.
Yet the boo boys won their battle and he left us to go to Norwich, and remember so well him coming back to St Andrews and knocking in a hat-trick against us, and I know for one thing he was so liked at Norwich due to his way of playing.

Can see the same with Jerome.
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I've defended him over the years, and the guy has improved certain aspects of his game. Sadly one of those is not finishing. He's not natural in front of goal - and i'd couple that with also saying he's not the most switched on in the head with the greatest respect. I'm sure people see where i'm coming from. Yes he has pace/strength but that is not the only requirement to play up front.
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Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!
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Jul 2 2011, 09:02 AM
I've defended him over the years, and the guy has improved certain aspects of his game. Sadly one of those is not finishing. He's not natural in front of goal - and i'd couple that with also saying he's not the most switched on in the head with the greatest respect. I'm sure people see where i'm coming from. Yes he has pace/strength but that is not the only requirement to play up front.

Well i wouldn't say Wayne Rooney is the most switched on in the head player

I still feel he could come good here if given the chance, as the style of our play over the last few season have not been the ideal way of getting the best our of our strikers, as even if we had the best striker in the world here I'm sure he would have struggled to score.

Well time will tell now as if he goes and starts scoring for his new club on a regular basis we will see a big mistake was made.
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i still say we should of accepted 16 million, and maybe took a player as part of the deal?
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Jul 2 2011, 09:46 AM
i still say we should of accepted 16 million, and maybe took a player as part of the deal?

I don't think it was £16m. It was an initial £10m and various add ons, like international call ups, Stoke finishing in the top 6, Jerome scoring 50 goals (I made that one up ) etc etc . It was what my father calls an " if to come deal "... in other words, don't hold your breath. Blues quite rightly told them to go forth and multiply.
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I don't be there is any likelihood that Dann will sign for a sub top six clubs until they have ruled themselves out by deed or action.
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Jul 3 2011, 10:34 AM
I don't be there is any likelihood that Dann will sign for a sub top six clubs until they have ruled themselves out by deed or action.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_7016134,00.html

Do you think we are waiting for counter offers

Think we would be stupid to accept the first offer to come in seems as Chelsea and Arsenal are supposedly sniffing around!
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Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
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Jul 3 2011, 05:45 PM
JBCFC
Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
:break:

To be totally honest, Jerome has hardly done much to warrant red roses and flamboyant praise.

He is a terrible finisher, an arrogant person, and needs to put a smile on his face for the money he is on.

And yes, I do know that he is arrogant, its not a guess, although if you look at the guys face on a Saturday afternoon it is totally plain to see.
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Jul 3 2011, 05:45 PM
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Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
:break:

To be totally honest, Jerome has hardly done much to warrant red roses and flamboyant praise.

He is a terrible finisher, an arrogant person, and needs to put a smile on his face for the money he is on.

And yes, I do know that he is arrogant, its not a guess, although if you look at the guys face on a Saturday afternoon it is totally plain to see.

How do you know he is arrogant?
I wouldn't smile if I couldn't get goals and played in a 4-5-1 and moaned at all the time - even booed by your own fans.
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Jul 3 2011, 06:14 PM
bcfcno1fan
Jul 3 2011, 05:08 PM
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Jul 3 2011, 05:45 PM
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Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
:break:

To be totally honest, Jerome has hardly done much to warrant red roses and flamboyant praise.

He is a terrible finisher, an arrogant person, and needs to put a smile on his face for the money he is on.

And yes, I do know that he is arrogant, its not a guess, although if you look at the guys face on a Saturday afternoon it is totally plain to see.

How do you know he is arrogant?
I wouldn't smile if I couldn't get goals and played in a 4-5-1 and moaned at all the time - even booed by your own fans.

Because a friend of my dads used to work in the PR department at Blues, and whenever we was at the ground, he was constantly the only player not to even acknowledge the blues fans wanting autographs, especially the little kids.

Also he is the only player I have yet to not have sign my Carling Cup Final shirt. Which says it all really.

If he didnt have the finishing ability and first touch of a rhino then maybe he may get more joy.

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Jul 3 2011, 12:45 PM
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Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
:break:

I agree 100 per cent


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Jul 3 2011, 06:44 PM
sjb1989
Jul 3 2011, 12:45 PM
JBCFC
Jul 2 2011, 09:11 AM
Stats are a joke jakeee all they do is lie, that's a fact for you.

There's a stat saying 2 seasons ago in the prem Jerome scored 10 goals we both know that's not true, you van defend him until the cows come home but if you remember one "goal" of his was a cross by larsson which video evidence proved he didn't touch however was still credited with (this was at stans) and another was dubious. Whoever he was bribing on the goals comitee was working. Everyone knows whether you love him or strongly dislike him (that's me) that it's right for both parties to now move on, he isn't going to cut it here the fans won't give him more time and as far as I'm concerned he could score 30 for us next year but I still won't rate him, I've seen enough, I'm sick to the back teeth of Jerome on the team sheet.

He's fast but he's incapable as well

6 million and I will be back flipping

Time to go cam!!!!

The amount of unfounded opinion, assumption and ignorance presented as fact in this post is ridiculous. :copno:

You could have just said "I don't care what anyone says or whatever he does, I don't like him and don't want him here" and left it that.

To be honest if he's got a cope with this sort of prejudice from his own club's fans it's probably best he does move on and I wish him all the best and hope he proves to everyone just why he's playing at this level and why top flight managers are interested in him.
:break:

I agree 100 per cent


:applause:

100% agree. Jerome will score goals I'm sure of it. I hope it's with us though. Eck was the reason Jerome has struggled. He gets hardly any chances. That's how I see it anyway. KRO!!!!
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One season with Alex he "runs diversion"

Next season with Alex he runs the "lone furrow"

Then he plays the "hitman" - - but no one is within 20 yards to help him.

As Bruce ignored or was ignorant of Heksey's stengths - - Alex did the same with Cameron.

Big Strong front runner, was that it?

Cams isn't Darren Bent. We know that. Heskey isn't Darren Bent. Andy Caroll isn't Darren Bent.

So why play cams ( who did his best under instructions - in a Heskey/Defoe mould)

But he gives more and provides more to a team than Defoe or Crouch.
Torres.
Suarez
Kuyt
Gyan

You name them, Cameron Jerome GIVES MORE.

A good manager uses that.
Uses his strength and commitment and ensures support.

Cam has had to run a lonely mile under Mcleish. No support, no back-up and eventually taking abuse from "fans" :banghead:


He's done it and never complained.
No wonder Pullis regards him and knows how to utilise him.

Cameron would be a firebrand in the Championship, but I fear we won't keep him. And I don't want him to go a loser side like Sunderland, I'd like him to go somehwere top class. He deserves it.

He is as good if not better than Kuyt. :D If played properly.

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Jul 4 2011, 12:37 AM
He is as good if not better than Kuyt. :D If played properly.


:blink: :blink: :blink:

When Jerome has played in a world cup final.... consistently played and scored in the champions leauge, and has a hatrick against Man utd to his name , Then maybe a comparison could be justified ..

Jerome is typical of the modern day english footballer.. big strong and quick.. thats why we are so poor as a nation.. we have athlete's and not "footballer's"
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Jul 4 2011, 12:37 AM
One season with Alex he "runs diversion"

Next season with Alex he runs the "lone furrow"

Then he plays the "hitman" - - but no one is within 20 yards to help him.

As Bruce ignored or was ignorant of Heksey's stengths - - Alex did the same with Cameron.

Big Strong front runner, was that it?

Cams isn't Darren Bent. We know that. Heskey isn't Darren Bent. Andy Caroll isn't Darren Bent.

So why play cams ( who did his best under instructions - in a Heskey/Defoe mould)

But he gives more and provides more to a team than Defoe or Crouch.
Torres.
Suarez
Kuyt
Gyan

You name them, Cameron Jerome GIVES MORE.

A good manager uses that.
Uses his strength and commitment and ensures support.

Cam has had to run a lonely mile under Mcleish. No support, no back-up and eventually taking abuse from "fans" :banghead:


He's done it and never complained.
No wonder Pullis regards him and knows how to utilise him.

Cameron would be a firebrand in the Championship, but I fear we won't keep him. And I don't want him to go a loser side like Sunderland, I'd like him to go somehwere top class. He deserves it.

He is as good if not better than Kuyt. :D If played properly.

**thumbup

I agreee he could have been used better but I can't see which players you're comparing him to b/c I don't have my royal blue specs on.
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But it' not just his lack of goals, it's not just his poor 1st touch.
Anyone who has any understanding of football can see that his movement off the ball is awfull.
With his speed, it should be far more simple than for other players, but he is sooooo predictable. No variation in his run and his timing is awful.
He has had to play with midfielders who can't pass forward last year, which can't help.
His game is no different whether he plays 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
I agree, he is not a lone striker, but I have yet to see him link up with any other striker in 4-4-2.
He didn't look any better in the Championship for us last time round. (how did he do so well at Cardiff?).
If he stays, I hope he gets a new lease of life and proves me wrong in an attacking formation.
Maybe some decent coaching would not go amiss.
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Jul 5 2011, 01:00 PM
But it' not just his lack of goals, it's not just his poor 1st touch.
Anyone who has any understanding of football can see that his movement off the ball is awfull.
With his speed, it should be far more simple than for other players, but he is sooooo predictable. No variation in his run and his timing is awful.
He has had to play with midfielders who can't pass forward last year, which can't help.
His game is no different whether he plays 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
I agree, he is not a lone striker, but I have yet to see him link up with any other striker in 4-4-2.
He didn't look any better in the Championship for us last time round. (how did he do so well at Cardiff?).
If he stays, I hope he gets a new lease of life and proves me wrong in an attacking formation.
Maybe some decent coaching would not go amiss.

His movement is terrible because he has to chase the long balls all day long and just tires him out. His timing is awful because we usually have such a slow build up and he doesn't have a clue when to make runs and receive passes.
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Cameron Jerome spends more time coming back from offside positions with his hand up than he does with the ball at his feet heading towards the goal. He has had long enough, hasn't improved, and time to go.
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Cameron Jerome spends more time coming back from offside positions with his hand up than he does with the ball at his feet heading towards the goal. He has had long enough, hasn't improved, and time to go.

Lol its like a dance
but it really pee's me off everytime he has that hand up when we are in good counter attacking positions!
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Jul 4 2011, 03:19 AM
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Jul 4 2011, 12:37 AM
He is as good if not better than Kuyt.  :D If played properly.


:blink: :blink: :blink:

When Jerome has played in a world cup final.... consistently played and scored in the champions leauge, and has a hatrick against Man utd to his name , Then maybe a comparison could be justified ..

Jerome is typical of the modern day english footballer.. big strong and quick.. thats why we are so poor as a nation.. we have athlete's and not "footballer's"

Actually couldn't stop laughing when I read it.

As good at Kuyt? Oh come off it, for heavens sake, next Keith Fahey is really Iniesta but hasnt flourished because of the manager.
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i heard (from a soucre i thought was CT but im unsure now) that we have accepted a bid for Scot Dann from stoke, I am assuming (hoping) the figure is 10 million if its not i want to know why not!.

But my real question is have we shot our self in the foot? with a queue forming of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Stoke etc temping to bid for him should we have stood back and let a bidding war commence rather than all clubs put in a ten million bid and Dann has the choice where he wants to go. (proberly whoever offers him the most money).

I understand the need to recoup money but dann going for 10 million rather than 'silly money' could be the cost of loosing at least another player.

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