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Topic Started: Jun 29 2011, 04:32 PM (8,180 Views)
Kaje
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I wish the Guardian and the Daily Mail would both **** ***, awful rags. Absolutely no research or thought in anything they print.

The fact is that Yeung is JUST A SHAREHOLDER IN THE COMPANY THAT OWNS BCFC.

He's not our owner. Majority shareholder in the owning company, yes, but not the owner. As such, this DOES NOT AFFECT THE CLUB DIRECTLY.

Yes, it might limit the amount of funding we have in the short term but the WORST CASE SCENARIO is that he sells his shares.
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Bluebird
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Kaje Posted on Jul 1 2011, 09:02 AM

Yes, it might limit the amount of funding we have in the short term but the WORST CASE SCENARIO is that he sells his shares.


Correction Kaje:
The WORST CASE SCENARIO is that he keeps his shares :banghead:
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Kaje
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:LMAO:

Nice one. :LOL:
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bluenosewelsh
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Jun 30 2011, 06:05 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...birmingham-city

I know it's paper talk, but its very difficult to argue with the crux of it.

He finances the club and BIHC

We have no idea where his money comes from, whether any more is on the way, whether assets will be frozen.....or worse if found guilty.


The New Broom that's affecting the blues needs to sweep out the attic aswell.

It's the first of July, the suns shining ; you should have better things to think about!
It's not the first time the club has been in the mire financially ( which is why I hold the Gullivans in higher regard than most ) and it won't be the last.
It goes with the territory; it's what supporting Blues is about. Learn to laugh at it, or start supporting someone nice and boring safe ( villa anybody? )
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lowdham bluenose
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A quick question regarding the thread title.

What is a B'jesus ?

feed.back
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Kaje
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lowdham bluenose
Jul 1 2011, 08:42 AM
A quick question regarding the thread title.

What is a B'jesus ?

feed.back

It's like when England had an A team and a B team. Heaven has an A Jesus and a B Jesus.
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lowdham bluenose
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Kaje
Jul 1 2011, 09:44 AM
lowdham bluenose
Jul 1 2011, 08:42 AM
A quick question regarding the thread title.

What is a B'jesus ?

feed.back

It's like when England had an A team and a B team. Heaven has an A Jesus and a B Jesus.

:blink:

you've lost me.............it must be my age.
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Kaje
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You've never heard of the England B Team? How old are you!? I'm only 26!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_B_nat...l_football_team

It's like England's reserve team.
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lowdham bluenose
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Kaje
Jul 1 2011, 10:10 AM
You've never heard of the England B Team? How old are you!? I'm only 26!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_B_nat...l_football_team

It's like England's reserve team.

I like that scene from "Mike Bassett England Manager". They have arrived in S America and are at the airport when Eire arrive and Mike says "aye aye here's the England B team".

:LMAO: :LMAO:
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Kaje
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Jul 1 2011, 09:38 AM
Kaje
Jul 1 2011, 10:10 AM
You've never heard of the England B Team? How old are you!? I'm only 26!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_B_nat...l_football_team

It's like England's reserve team.

I like that scene from "Mike Bassett England Manager". They have arrived in S America and are at the airport when Eire arrive and Mike says "aye aye here's the England B team".

:LMAO: :LMAO:

You must have only just got that joke if you didn't know what the England B Team was! :applause: :LOL:
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The Concerned Potato Head
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not sure if this vid was posted

vid of Pannu talking about the whole thing

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26...7011169,00.html
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The Purple Cow
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The fact is that Yeung is JUST A SHAREHOLDER IN THE COMPANY THAT OWNS BCFC.

He's not our owner. Majority shareholder in the owning company, yes, but not the owner. As such, this DOES NOT AFFECT THE CLUB DIRECTLY.


WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of cluelessness there.

We already know that the club is reliant on Yeung lending us more money to keep us within our overdraft limit. Both accountancy firms who have audited our accounts have said that. How can Yeung do that if he's sitting in prison with his bank accounts blocked?

**

Once again Peter Pannu insults our intelligence with his ridiculous statements. He must think that Blues fans are terminally stupid. Not content with telling us that BCFC was nothing to do with BIH (when in fact BCFC is 97% of BIH) - he is now trying to tell us that our sugar-daddy having his bank accounts frozen is not a problem for us!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, Peter. Sure, mate.

The only way that the Blues can survive now is if the club can be sold quickly, and the new owners have the cash to clear our debts. I don't know who would do that, or what would be their motivation.

It could be that we have to do a Wimbledon and start over again. A good mate of mine called Kriss Stewart did it for AFC Wimbledon - so why can't we?

I'm up for it, I don't know much about football but I'm an M.B.A. so I can handle the business strategy off the field, anyone know an under-employed accountant?

Anyone else want to give it a go, if needs must?
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KROSOTV22
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Jul 1 2011, 05:27 PM
not sure if this vid was posted

vid of Pannu talking about the whole thing

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26...7011169,00.html

Looked and sounded worried but still convinced no connection with BCFC. Lets hope.
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Jul 1 2011, 07:30 PM
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The fact is that Yeung is JUST A SHAREHOLDER IN THE COMPANY THAT OWNS BCFC.

He's not our owner. Majority shareholder in the owning company, yes, but not the owner. As such, this DOES NOT AFFECT THE CLUB DIRECTLY.


WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of cluelessness there.

We already know that the club is reliant on Yeung lending us more money to keep us within our overdraft limit. Both accountancy firms who have audited our accounts have said that. How can Yeung do that if he's sitting in prison with his bank accounts blocked?

**

Once again Peter Pannu insults our intelligence with his ridiculous statements. He must think that Blues fans are terminally stupid. Not content with telling us that BCFC was nothing to do with BIH (when in fact BCFC is 97% of BIH) - he is now trying to tell us that our sugar-daddy having his bank accounts frozen is not a problem for us!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, Peter. Sure, mate.

The only way that the Blues can survive now is if the club can be sold quickly, and the new owners have the cash to clear our debts. I don't know who would do that, or what would be their motivation.

It could be that we have to do a Wimbledon and start over again. A good mate of mine called Kriss Stewart did it for AFC Wimbledon - so why can't we?

I'm up for it, I don't know much about football but I'm an M.B.A. so I can handle the business strategy off the field, anyone know an under-employed accountant?

Anyone else want to give it a go, if needs must?

Something you have forgotten in your rant, he owns just less than 25% of BIH
Those with the real money own the other 75%, they just won't sit back and let their investment disappear tomatoes
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Kaje
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Jul 1 2011, 07:30 PM
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The fact is that Yeung is JUST A SHAREHOLDER IN THE COMPANY THAT OWNS BCFC.

He's not our owner. Majority shareholder in the owning company, yes, but not the owner. As such, this DOES NOT AFFECT THE CLUB DIRECTLY.


WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of cluelessness there.

WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of asshole-ness there.
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Jul 1 2011, 09:05 AM
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Kaje Posted on Jul 1 2011, 09:02 AM

Yes, it might limit the amount of funding we have in the short term but the WORST CASE SCENARIO is that he sells his shares.


Correction Kaje:
The WORST CASE SCENARIO is that he keeps his shares :banghead:

NO worst case senario is that Scully and Mold sell up at west spam and come back
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KROSOTV22
Jul 1 2011, 07:36 PM
The Concerned Potato Head
Jul 1 2011, 05:27 PM
not sure if this vid was posted

vid of Pannu talking about the whole thing

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26...7011169,00.html

Looked and sounded worried but still convinced no connection with BCFC. Lets hope.

Chris has to be worried, still i can see Pannu trying to calm things down, seems a good bloke, he himself wants to really find out is innocent :o
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The Purple Cow
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So Pannu continues to lie to you, but that still makes him "a good bloke" apparently. I mean these are not sophisticated lies, a reasonably well-read 15 year-old could see through them.

I just don't know what else to say.

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WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of asshole-ness there.


Yes I agree Kaje, he certainly is that.

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"the club is continually supported by Carson Yeung with his personal money" - Peter Pannu 2010
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Kaje
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Jul 1 2011, 10:18 PM
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WOW! Quite extraordinary levels of asshole-ness there.


Yes I agree Kaje, he certainly is that.

I meant you, but you knew that - you were just further demonstrating your asshole-ness. :applause: :LMAO:
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1. Carson Yeung is a close associate of Pollyanna Chu. He was a Kowloon hairdresser just 10 years ago, since becoming a friend of Ms. Chu his fortunes have improved dramatically. Probably just a coincidence.

2. Ms. Chu ownes a string of gambling casinos in Macau.

3. Who controls gambling in Macau? I do not know...

4. Google the phrase - bate-ficha

5. When he was still a serving police officer Pater Pannu was charged with accepting a bribe from a senior Triad operative. The charges were dropped after the Triad boss was shot dead, and the other witness to the alleged bribe decided he didn't want to testify after all.

6. Carson Yeung is being investigated for laundering money for Chinese organized crime.

You do the math, boys and girls.

This is what the club we love has become. A hundred and thirty six years of history flushed down the toilet.

...and some of you guys still find these people to be "good blokes"

Sweet Jezus.
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Pannu was exonerated and the Hong Kong police were warned about "allowing" their officers as Pannu and his associates were ( about working undercover or posing as being approachable).

Carson's lawyer has stated that the investigation is to do with Tax.

On the simple basis that Carson's father ( who has returned to mainland China) began moving large sums of money into his son's account and then out again.

The remaining amounts of money in Carson's account made the Hong Kong equivalent of our Inland Revenue concerned. (They operate under the Narcotics section).As they didn't relate to his Tax returns.They claim.

Neither you nor we know where these funds originated from nor how legitimate they are.

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Yeung's lawyer, Daniel Marash, said the prosecution had failed to provide evidence that the money in the bank accounts represented the proceeds of indictable offenses and that taxable income should not be based on the amount of money in bank accounts.
Vico Hui of Birmingham International stressed the case would not affect the football club's operation. "It is the personal matter of Mr Yeung, so I don't think there will be any impact on the listing company and the football club," Hui said.




Your insinuations about Pollyana Chu are just so much muck slinging !

You ask us to check her out.

:LMAO:

Which means that you can't, and haven't been able to connect her and Carson in your juvenile fantasy about some huge conspiracy.

We all know she has authorised loans ( repaid) first to Grandtop and secondly bought and sold on the share issue. What on earth is the rubbish about the Macau gambling industry ?

Carson is being charged because of the suspiscion about the money that went in and out of his accounts from his father between 2001 and 2007.
AND - That they didn't co-relate to his tax returns is the problem.

Now, off you go and pretend you know something no one else knows.

Only next time, try giving us all some proof.
Referrals, links, that kind of stuff.
Not fantasies.

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The Purple Cow
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OK, Blue Raphaelite, I'm going to deal with your nonsense point by point, because one day I want the record to show who sided with the supporters (the true owners of any club) and who sided with the forces of darkness.

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Pannu was exonerated and the Hong Kong police were warned about "allowing" their officers as Pannu and his associates were ( about working undercover or posing as being approachable).


You appear to have totally missed the point on this one. The judges warning to the HK police was a warning to Pannu and those like him. Basically he is saying "If you lie with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas."

Interesting use of the word 'exonerated' by the way.

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"Carson's lawyer has stated that the investigation is to do with Tax."


Well, he would wouldn't he? He's the DEFENSE lawyer. For the record, that's not what the police or the H.K. media are saying.

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On the simple basis that Carson's father ( who has returned to mainland China) began moving large sums of money into his son's account and then out again.

The remaining amounts of money in Carson's account made the Hong Kong equivalent of our Inland Revenue concerned. (They operate under the Narcotics section).As they didn't relate to his Tax returns.They claim.


It is just technically possible that there is an innocent explanation for these funds, but given everything else we know, how likely is that really?

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Neither you nor we know where these funds originated from nor how legitimate they are.


No but the Hong Kong police have a pretty good idea.

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"Your insinuations about Pollyana Chu are just so much muck slinging !

You ask us to check her out.


Errrr, no I didn't, I'm trying to skate round Britain's draconian libel laws, as I thought I had made entirely plain.

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"Which means that you can't, and haven't been able to connect her and Carson in your juvenile fantasy about some huge conspiracy."


Oh. good grief. I knew this was going to be hard, but I didn't imagine it would be quite this hard. I swear the cognitive dissonance is reaching epidemic proportions on this site.

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We all know she has authorised loans ( repaid) first to Grandtop and secondly bought and sold on the share issue. What on earth is the rubbish about the Macau gambling industry ?


Ok, let me explain it to you one last time.

1. Pollyanna Chu is connected to Yeung.

2. Pollyanna Chu ownes a string of Casinos in Macau.

3. If you had Googled Bate-Ficha, you would by now know that the Macau gambling industry is dominated by Triad gangs.

4. Yeung is now being investigated for the possibility that he has been laundering organized crime money.

Those are the four dots, you can choose to connect them anyway you see fit.

What I'm saying is, If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.

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Carson is being charged because of the suspiscion about the money that went in and out of his accounts from his father between 2001 and 2007.
AND - That they didn't co-relate to his tax returns is the problem.


Hello-oh, that what his defense lawyer says. What do you expect him to say? "Hey guess what? My client's a gangsta." ????

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Now, off you go and pretend you know something no one else knows.


If you could be bothered to actually read what I'd written before you launched into your ill-informed and sneering tirade, you would see that I am not pretending to know what others don't know. What I am saying is in fact exactly the opposite of that. I was very careful to only include information that is in the public domain, and has been for sometime.

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Only next time, try giving us all some proof.
Referrals, links, that kind of stuff.
Not fantasies.


Like I say, history will record those who got it - and those who chose to side with the enemy.
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Jul 2 2011, 08:16 AM
OK, Blue Raphaelite, I'm going to deal with your nonsense point by point, because one day I want the record to show who sided with the supporters (the true owners of any club) and who sided with the forces of darkness.

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Pannu was exonerated and the Hong Kong police were warned about "allowing" their officers as Pannu and his associates were ( about working undercover or posing as being approachable).


You appear to have totally missed the point on this one. The judges warning to the HK police was a warning to Pannu and those like him. Basically he is saying "If you lie with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas."

Interesting use of the word 'exonerated' by the way.

Quote:
 
"Carson's lawyer has stated that the investigation is to do with Tax."


Well, he would wouldn't he? He's the DEFENSE lawyer. For the record, that's not what the police or the H.K. media are saying.

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On the simple basis that Carson's father ( who has returned to mainland China) began moving large sums of money into his son's account and then out again.

The remaining amounts of money in Carson's account made the Hong Kong equivalent of our Inland Revenue concerned. (They operate under the Narcotics section).As they didn't relate to his Tax returns.They claim.


It is just technically possible that there is an innocent explanation for these funds, but given everything else we know, how likely is that really?

Quote:
 
Neither you nor we know where these funds originated from nor how legitimate they are.


No but the Hong Kong police have a pretty good idea.

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"Your insinuations about Pollyana Chu are just so much muck slinging !

You ask us to check her out.


Errrr, no I didn't, I'm trying to skate round Britain's draconian libel laws, as I thought I had made entirely plain.

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"Which means that you can't, and haven't been able to connect her and Carson in your juvenile fantasy about some huge conspiracy."


Oh. good grief. I knew this was going to be hard, but I didn't imagine it would be quite this hard. I swear the cognitive dissonance is reaching epidemic proportions on this site.

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We all know she has authorised loans ( repaid) first to Grandtop and secondly bought and sold on the share issue. What on earth is the rubbish about the Macau gambling industry ?


Ok, let me explain it to you one last time.

1. Pollyanna Chu is connected to Yeung.

2. Pollyanna Chu ownes a string of Casinos in Macau.

3. If you had Googled Bate-Ficha, you would by now know that the Macau gambling industry is dominated by Triad gangs.

4. Yeung is now being investigated for the possibility that he has been laundering organized crime money.

Those are the four dots, you can choose to connect them anyway you see fit.

What I'm saying is, If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.

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Carson is being charged because of the suspiscion about the money that went in and out of his accounts from his father between 2001 and 2007.
AND - That they didn't co-relate to his tax returns is the problem.


Hello-oh, that what his defense lawyer says. What do you expect him to say? "Hey guess what? My client's a gangsta." ????

Quote:
 
Now, off you go and pretend you know something no one else knows.


If you could be bothered to actually read what I'd written before you launched into your ill-informed and sneering tirade, you would see that I am not pretending to know what others don't know. What I am saying is in fact exactly the opposite of that. I was very careful to only include information that is in the public domain, and has been for sometime.

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Only next time, try giving us all some proof.
Referrals, links, that kind of stuff.
Not fantasies.


Like I say, history will record those who got it - and those who chose to side with the enemy.

Tbf you can't argue with that.
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Yes, I thought it was a good response by The Purple Cow


This Pollyanna Chu lady has more to do with this unsavoury episode than people seem to think

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The best we can hope for really is that Carson is forced to sell his shares and we get an investment by someone who really does have some financial clout, and after all they'd probably be getting a bargain if it is a forced sale and the fact that at the current moment we're worth far less being a Championship club.
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