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Carson Yeung discussion; Please read before starting new thread
Topic Started: Jun 29 2011, 04:32 PM (8,179 Views)
The Purple Cow
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Completely agree Andy.

As long as our debts are no worse than we have been lead to believe, this is an opportunity for some worthwhile owners to pick us up at a bargain price.

Though given that nobody has ever failed the 'Fit and Proper Persons Test' - never, ever - we can't be too sure that we won't fall from the frying pan into the fire.

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northside blue
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pollyanna Chu a former buisness woman of the year :rolleyes: Might aswell link David Gold and diddie dave to the triads considering how much they trousered from the deal especially when you consider their shady pasts :blink:
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Oby
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Just adding this to the debate--

BCFC FINANCIAL BLACK-HOLE
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topbird
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“The fans have nothing to worry about,” he said. “The finances are OK. I have been told by colleagues in Hong Kong that the charges relate to a period from 2001 to 2007. “That is at least two years before Carson invested in this club.”



Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s.../#ixzz1R247WDIl

So for now we have to believe this and await events lets hope this cloud has a silverlining :whistle:
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any latest have not been online yet today
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Stinking_Bishop
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If Yeung has got any feelings for BCFC and its supporters, then he will look to sell the club and move on.

Of course, he is innocent - until proven guilty. But what harm will this unwanted-attention do the club in the long run?

He has been charged with five counts of money laundering and could face a 14-year-spell behind bars. It doesn't look good at all.

He was never my first choice to replace Sullivan and the Golds, but since he has been here I, along with many others, have given him unwavering support.

Yet, his influence caused Steve Bruce to quit the club, then once in charge we saw Michael Dunford leave, then Sammy Yu, and now McLeish.

Now we are seeing many of the players leave due to the reported financial mess we are in. This is a financial mess that could worsen if Yeung has his assets stripped which would leave a massive financial black hole in the club.

Its a slippery slope.
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Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 10:47 AM
Yet, his influence caused Steve Bruce to quit the club

I don't think CY forced him out, the relationship between DS/DG/KB and Brucie had long gone sour before CY was on these scene and they used every excuse in the book not to re-new SB's contract.
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the_garbage
Jul 3 2011, 01:54 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 10:47 AM
Yet, his influence caused Steve Bruce to quit the club

I don't think CY forced him out, the relationship between DS/DG/KB and Brucie had long gone sour before CY was on these scene and they used every excuse in the book not to re-new SB's contract.

This.
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Stinking_Bishop
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My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.
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Kaje
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Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.
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Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 05:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

The main mistake Yeung has made was not getting rid of McLeish, mostly because of a predicted backlash from fans.
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Kaje
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I agree with that, bcfc - though no doubt someone will pop on here and mention that inconvenient cup win!

We might not have won the cup under someone else, but we'd have been progressing!
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Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 05:16 PM
I agree with that, bcfc - though no doubt someone will pop on here and mention that inconvenient cup win!

We might not have won the cup under someone else, but we'd have been progressing!

Yeah, very true, but everyone knows we were lucky throughout that cup run, no-one will take it away though, all it did was keep McLeech in the job longer.
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Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 04:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.

Oh dear, you are touchy and presuming...

I wasn't going to mention the £40m. It was spent. Period.

The question that should be on everyones lips is where this money came from, and why prominent staff ie Dunford/Sammy Yu quit within months of being appointed?

Perhaps, Kaje, as you seem to know the club so well (do you work there?) you could enlighten us all?

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bcfcno1fan
Jul 3 2011, 04:30 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 05:16 PM
I agree with that, bcfc - though no doubt someone will pop on here and mention that inconvenient cup win!

We might not have won the cup under someone else, but we'd have been progressing!

Yeah, very true, but everyone knows we were lucky throughout that cup run, no-one will take it away though, all it did was keep McLeech in the job longer.

Bullocks.

You name one side that's ever won a cup without getting a slice of luck along the way.

There isn't one, because luck is part of the game.

It irritates me no end that the only group of people who seem to think we didn't deserve to win that cup is the fans of the very club who won it.
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Jul 3 2011, 02:44 PM

It irritates me no end that the only group of people who seem to think we didn't deserve to win that cup is the fans of the very club who won it.

Some of these people are not fans though , Hod

They're simply WUMS


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Jul 3 2011, 07:44 PM
bcfcno1fan
Jul 3 2011, 04:30 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 05:16 PM
I agree with that, bcfc - though no doubt someone will pop on here and mention that inconvenient cup win!

We might not have won the cup under someone else, but we'd have been progressing!

Yeah, very true, but everyone knows we were lucky throughout that cup run, no-one will take it away though, all it did was keep McLeech in the job longer.

Bullocks.

You name one side that's ever won a cup without getting a slice of luck along the way.

There isn't one, because luck is part of the game.

It irritates me no end that the only group of people who seem to think we didn't deserve to win that cup is the fans of the very club who won it.

I didnt say we didnt deserve to win it.

We deserved to win it soley because of the final.
I meant in terms of McLeech. He didnt deserve to win it, the players and us fans did.

Im not a wind-up merchant or anything or the sort, I am just saying, that cup run saved his job, simple as.

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Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 04:40 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 04:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.

Oh dear, you are touchy and presuming...

I wasn't going to mention the £40m. It was spent. Period.

The question that should be on everyones lips is where this money came from, and why prominent staff ie Dunford/Sammy Yu quit within months of being appointed?

Perhaps, Kaje, as you seem to know the club so well (do you work there?) you could enlighten us all?

Touchy and presuming? All I did was presume you'd mention the £40m, and it's refreshing you didn't - there's no touchyness just a statement of fact taken from what we know from what's in the public domain. :)

I also haven't professed to 'know the club so well' at all.

I'm not sure what your issue is, but there wasn't really any need to respond in the way you did. :break:
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Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 07:27 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 04:40 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 04:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.

Oh dear, you are touchy and presuming...

I wasn't going to mention the £40m. It was spent. Period.

The question that should be on everyones lips is where this money came from, and why prominent staff ie Dunford/Sammy Yu quit within months of being appointed?

Perhaps, Kaje, as you seem to know the club so well (do you work there?) you could enlighten us all?

Touchy and presuming? All I did was presume you'd mention the £40m, and it's refreshing you didn't - there's no touchyness just a statement of fact taken from what we know from what's in the public domain. :)

I also haven't professed to 'know the club so well' at all, so your attempt at 'hitting back' falls flat. :break:

Sorry to disappoint, but I wasn't trying to 'hit back' - as you put it. We are not in the playground.

I was just giving my opinion, asking a few questions, and as you seem to know a lot about the workings of the club (albeit aggressively), whether you could enlighten me on the questions I put forward.

Obviously you know no more than anyone else here.





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Jul 3 2011, 07:38 PM
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Jul 3 2011, 07:27 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 04:40 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 04:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.

Oh dear, you are touchy and presuming...

I wasn't going to mention the £40m. It was spent. Period.

The question that should be on everyones lips is where this money came from, and why prominent staff ie Dunford/Sammy Yu quit within months of being appointed?

Perhaps, Kaje, as you seem to know the club so well (do you work there?) you could enlighten us all?

Touchy and presuming? All I did was presume you'd mention the £40m, and it's refreshing you didn't - there's no touchyness just a statement of fact taken from what we know from what's in the public domain. :)

I also haven't professed to 'know the club so well' at all, so your attempt at 'hitting back' falls flat. :break:

Sorry to disappoint, but I wasn't trying to 'hit back' - as you put it. We are not in the playground.

I was just giving my opinion, asking a few questions, and as you seem to know a lot about the workings of the club (albeit aggressively), whether you could enlighten me on the questions I put forward.

Obviously you know no more than anyone else here.

Where have I ever said I know what's going on inside the club!?

Blimey mate, are you on the pop? :drink: ;)
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Jul 3 2011, 07:38 PM
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Jul 3 2011, 07:27 PM
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Jul 3 2011, 04:40 PM
Kaje
Jul 3 2011, 04:13 PM
Stinking_Bishop
Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM
My point is that Carson Yeung has had more of a damaging effect than the old board.

Has he?

We spent just over £14m last season, the third highest spenders in the Premiership and I'd wager it was more than any single season under Sullivan and the Golds.

Also, the fan communication and interaction has been far better under this regime than the previous.

Yep, Yeung is currently involved in a potential tax evasion scandal (HK sources seem to be moving from money laundering and into tax evasion) but memories must be abysmally short if people can't remember when Sullivan et al were raided, and held, by Met Police over similar allegations and allegations of agent fee over-payments/fixing.

Also, the old board broke a number of promises - this regime seems to be fairly spot on. And before you quote the old, overused and tired £40m - it's been done to death and included transfer fees, new player wages and agent fees, and we spent that amount.

Oh dear, you are touchy and presuming...

I wasn't going to mention the £40m. It was spent. Period.

The question that should be on everyones lips is where this money came from, and why prominent staff ie Dunford/Sammy Yu quit within months of being appointed?

Perhaps, Kaje, as you seem to know the club so well (do you work there?) you could enlighten us all?

Touchy and presuming? All I did was presume you'd mention the £40m, and it's refreshing you didn't - there's no touchyness just a statement of fact taken from what we know from what's in the public domain. :)

I also haven't professed to 'know the club so well' at all, so your attempt at 'hitting back' falls flat. :break:

Sorry to disappoint, but I wasn't trying to 'hit back' - as you put it. We are not in the playground.

I was just giving my opinion, asking a few questions, and as you seem to know a lot about the workings of the club (albeit aggressively), whether you could enlighten me on the questions I put forward.

Obviously you know no more than anyone else here.

I agree with that StinkingBishop, Kaje seems to be one of these 'I know a guy that knows a guy' people that you meet in a pub! :rolleyes:
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Jul 3 2011, 09:47 AM
Yet, his influence caused Steve Bruce to quit the club, then once in charge we saw Michael Dunford leave, then Sammy Yu, and now McLeish.

Well at least he got rid of 2 bad manager. ;)
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Jake, where have I said anything of the sort?
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