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Johnson joins Wolves - Official confirmation; Merged.Please do not start a new thread
Topic Started: Jul 2 2011, 12:04 PM (7,615 Views)
Mirkwood55
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Call me cynical but when did player loyalty ever come into this?? These are guys who play football for a living - it's their sole income and they have every right to play for whoever is prepared to pay their salary. Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.

While RJ was with us he gave his all - and we loved him for it. Fine. Thanks Roger - it was great while it lasted and we will not forget you. But if another club comes in for him - why should he stay?? Games at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Stamford Bridge? Or Brighton, Doncaster, Watford? Come on for heaven's sake! What would you do??

In the 56 years I've been a Bluenose I've seen hundreds of Blues' players move on and some of them left us devastated. But we're still here. We bounced back. We are the Blues. Never forget that.

KRO
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blueboy75
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Jul 11 2011, 02:40 PM
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Jul 11 2011, 01:09 PM
I don't understand it.

How do we need the money? What have we spent money on?

a few seasons ago we were one of the only teams in the prem with no debt.

Now we need money?

We have not signed anyone really since Suly & Gold left. At least no one big (Zigic pun). but it literally is a few plays.

Foster, Zigic, Gardner... anyone else?

well, we have made the money back off Gardner and more.

we have got rid of Hleb, Bentley, Martins who were all on big money inc bowyer & Philips whose wages were qhite big too.

So why do we still need money?

Rumour had it that Zigic was likely to go back to spain for 6 mil... fine, that is literally all the transfer fees covered.

Can someone shed some light on this for me?

is it just a case of us not being able to afford the players wages? we have a small squad though!!??

Our decreasing crowds won't have helped I guess. Wages, loan fees, ground improvements, concession area improvements, electronic scoreboards, having blueprints of new stands drawn up by architects, policing, it all adds up. It's more than just player fees and wages.

Some people don't have a clue how to run a business and the running costs. Just because it's their beloved blues they think it runs on air... This is the reality of relegation and signing players like zigic on 50k a week...

Gardner and rj are just the start and it's going to get worse...

We can't afford to keep them to the next window and risk them getting injured or playing rubbish as their value will drop like a stone. If we kept rj and he playedrubbish for the first 10 games think we would get 7m for him? Or dann breaks down again would we get 13m for him?

End of the day the board can't refuse a good offer as much as they want to...

Welcome to relegation..
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Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Call me cynical but when did player loyalty ever come into this?? These are guys who play football for a living - it's their sole income and they have every right to play for whoever is prepared to pay their salary. Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.

While RJ was with us he gave his all - and we loved him for it. Fine. Thanks Roger - it was great while it lasted and we will not forget you. But if another club comes in for him - why should he stay?? Games at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Stamford Bridge? Or Brighton, Doncaster, Watford? Come on for heaven's sake! What would you do??

In the 56 years I've been a Bluenose I've seen hundreds of Blues' players move on and some of them left us devastated. But we're still here. We bounced back. We are the Blues. Never forget that.

KRO

:applause: Couldn't agree more. People need to realise that football has changed. These days players care first and foremost about money they're going to make, the club they earn it at is not relevant to their thinking.

From our blinkered fans point of view it can feel like Blues are the only club in the world worthy of our support, but to a player we're just one of 92 potential employers in this country alone. Players these days hop from club to club following the money and play for whoever offers them the most at that time. All we can ask as fans is that they give 100% every game while they earn that money. Generally I think Roger Johnson did do that for us, so I won't be feeling any animosity towards him after he's gone.
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Jul 11 2011, 09:51 PM
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Jul 11 2011, 08:48 PM

@thegoalzone Tom Ross
He has made numerous transfer requests to Blues, which the club have reluctantly accepted.

Seen a rumor he will be on 40k a week......ta ta mercenary.

£40k a week at Wolves i doubt it. their owner is not that daft.
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murasame
Jul 11 2011, 09:16 PM
Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Call me cynical but when did player loyalty ever come into this?? These are guys who play football for a living - it's their sole income and they have every right to play for whoever is prepared to pay their salary. Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.

While RJ was with us he gave his all - and we loved him for it. Fine. Thanks Roger - it was great while it lasted and we will not forget you. But if another club comes in for him - why should he stay?? Games at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Stamford Bridge? Or Brighton, Doncaster, Watford? Come on for heaven's sake! What would you do??

In the 56 years I've been a Bluenose I've seen hundreds of Blues' players move on and some of them left us devastated. But we're still here. We bounced back. We are the Blues. Never forget that.

KRO

:applause: Couldn't agree more. People need to realise that football has changed. These days players care first and foremost about money they're going to make, the club they earn it at is not relevant to their thinking.

From our blinkered fans point of view it can feel like Blues are the only club in the world worthy of our support, but to a player we're just one of 92 potential employers in this country alone. Players these days hop from club to club following the money and play for whoever offers them the most at that time. All we can ask as fans is that they give 100% every game while they earn that money. Generally I think Roger Johnson did do that for us, so I won't be feeling any animosity towards him after he's gone.

Seems strange to me that with the greatest respect to Wolves no one better came in for him.

Reading between the lines of his apparent numerous transfer requests and CH meeting the players this week to see who wants to stay, it is starting to look like a case of Wolves being the only club interested so off you go.

I'm sure the future England and Premier League regular might have expected more prestigious suitors for his services.

Oh dear.......



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blueboy75
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He will be on the same as he was with us probably and have his contract loaded with bonuses if they have any sense. Wolves are well run just like Stoke and everton and they cut the cloth accordingly...

Shame we didn't run things the same!!
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Jul 11 2011, 09:57 PM
murasame
Jul 11 2011, 09:16 PM
Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Call me cynical but when did player loyalty ever come into this?? These are guys who play football for a living - it's their sole income and they have every right to play for whoever is prepared to pay their salary. Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.

While RJ was with us he gave his all - and we loved him for it. Fine. Thanks Roger - it was great while it lasted and we will not forget you. But if another club comes in for him - why should he stay?? Games at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Stamford Bridge? Or Brighton, Doncaster, Watford? Come on for heaven's sake! What would you do??

In the 56 years I've been a Bluenose I've seen hundreds of Blues' players move on and some of them left us devastated. But we're still here. We bounced back. We are the Blues. Never forget that.

KRO

:applause: Couldn't agree more. People need to realise that football has changed. These days players care first and foremost about money they're going to make, the club they earn it at is not relevant to their thinking.

From our blinkered fans point of view it can feel like Blues are the only club in the world worthy of our support, but to a player we're just one of 92 potential employers in this country alone. Players these days hop from club to club following the money and play for whoever offers them the most at that time. All we can ask as fans is that they give 100% every game while they earn that money. Generally I think Roger Johnson did do that for us, so I won't be feeling any animosity towards him after he's gone.

Seems strange to me that with the greatest respect to Wolves no one better came in for him.

Reading between the lines of his apparent numerous transfer requests and CH meeting the players this week to see who wants to stay, it is starting to look like a case of Wolves being the only club interested so off you go.

I'm sure the future England and Premier League regular might have expected more prestigious suitors for his services.

Oh dear.......

I'm not overly surprised, you are only as good as your last game and he had a pretty poor game after game after the cup.
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Ive got mixed feelings tbh.

Its all well and good saying that its just a job and we'd do the same for a pay rise etc but imo i dont think its quite that simple.

These people are on astronomical wages for starters and could easily afford to be 'loyal' if they see fit. Your average joe is not in the same boat, an extra 50 quid a week can make a huge difference. Whereas an extra 5 grand a week just ices the cake that little bit more.

These players are very fortunate, something that they forget. They have all contributed to our failure last season and now it seems like they cant wait to get out. RJ has said something along the lines of 'relegation helped make up my mind'. How dare he. How about, 'its partly my fault we went down last season and i would like to help us get promoted if the club still want me'

It seems like failure is well rewarded in football.
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Johnson has got a bit of a bob on himself and, I think, not a very good influence to have in the dressing room. His post-match interview on the pitch at Wembley convinced me he was not the sort of player we need in the team.

Good luck to him at Wolves though.

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Jul 11 2011, 10:58 PM
He will be on the same as he was with us probably and have his contract loaded with bonuses if they have any sense. Wolves are well run just like Stoke and everton and they cut the cloth accordingly...

Shame we didn't run things the same!!

We had McLeish and Montgomery didn't we ?

We had forum members screaming at- and abusing the board for not tying Mcleish down to a new contract.

I wonder which forum members abused the board for not securing Alex to a contract earlier---- and now abuse the board for keeping Alex on?

:LMAO:

I hope it isn't a sin to say this, but Roger Johnson was my least favourite Blues player.
Brave - yes.
Fit - Yes
Arrogant - YES
Skillfull - No
Passing - Weak
Working out of defence - Non Existant
Hoofing away - Expert
The absence of Dann exposed his limitations.

I hope that his Wolve's deal goes through. Really.

Even for £1 million I'd be happy just to get rid of him, out of the dressing room, out of the team off our wage bill and out of Blues.
As other commentators have said, retaining RJ could be like keeping a venomous snake in your dressing room.

Same as Barry unfortunately.

RJ's loyalty is to himself and his self-image.

Barry's main loyalty is to Alex, imo , more than himself - which is understandable, but he was Alex's 'presence' in the dressing room and that must change.
It has to.

I never slag Blues' players, even though I feel let down, I will defend them.

With Roger now 99.99% going, I can feel OK with saying that I never liked him, never appreciated him and thought that Scott Dann made him look better than he was. There ! -- said it. Will go and do my rosary now.

:LMAO:
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Mate ,im getting worried now ,I find im agreeing with everything you are saying,lol.
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midland red
Jul 12 2011, 04:41 AM
blueboy75
Jul 11 2011, 10:58 PM
He will be on the same as he was with us probably and have his contract loaded with bonuses if they have any sense. Wolves are well run just like Stoke and everton and they cut the cloth accordingly...

Shame we didn't run things the same!!

We had McLeish and Montgomery didn't we ?

We had forum members screaming at- and abusing the board for not tying Mcleish down to a new contract.

I wonder which forum members abused the board for not securing Alex to a contract earlier---- and now abuse the board for keeping Alex on?

:LMAO:

I hope it isn't a sin to say this, but Roger Johnson was my least favourite Blues player.
Brave - yes.
Fit - Yes
Arrogant - YES
Skillfull - No
Passing - Weak
Working out of defence - Non Existant
Hoofing away - Expert
The absence of Dann exposed his limitations.

I hope that his Wolve's deal goes through. Really.

Even for £1 million I'd be happy just to get rid of him, out of the dressing room, out of the team off our wage bill and out of Blues.
As other commentators have said, retaining RJ could be like keeping a venomous snake in your dressing room.

Same as Barry unfortunately.

RJ's loyalty is to himself and his self-image.

Barry's main loyalty is to Alex, imo , more than himself - which is understandable, but he was Alex's 'presence' in the dressing room and that must change.
It has to.

I never slag Blues' players, even though I feel let down, I will defend them.

With Roger now 99.99% going, I can feel OK with saying that I never liked him, never appreciated him and thought that Scott Dann made him look better than he was. There ! -- said it. Will go and do my rosary now.

:LMAO:

Spot on, in fact I remember the other day I watched a documentary years ago about wanna be wags in reference to his own self image (don't know why I watched that!) and the one lady they followed was going out with a certain Johnson at Wycombe.....he came across like he was God like then! :LMAO:
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Jul 12 2011, 04:41 AM
I hope it isn't a sin to say this, but Roger Johnson was my least favourite Blues player.
Brave - yes.
Fit - Yes
Arrogant - YES
Skillfull - No
Passing - Weak
Working out of defence - Non Existant
Hoofing away - Expert
The absence of Dann exposed his limitations.



Midland, I posted something similar on another forum, He wiil be found out, mark my words.
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Well we all knew that a few players would go following our relegation, it always happens.

For me we have got what RJ is worth, problem I can see here is for RJ, as for me he will be in the same position if not worse next season, as Wolves will be battling against relegation, and what will happen if they go down........and we go up? he could have had a good season here helping us back up, European football. again money talks, as also heard he was offered something between £35k and £40k a week.

He did really well here a strong old fashion type of centre half, and IMO struggled when Scott Dann got injured, will be interesting to see how he performs at Wolves under a new partnership.
Thanks for all your efforts RJ just a shame you could not give us one more season, but still thats football and players just want to stay and play in the premiership once they have been there.

Well best of luck to him, you never know RJ we may pass you on the way back up.
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£7m plus wages saved is a good deal for RJ. Alongside Dann he looked formidable but he hasn't got a 'full game' and showed this when Dann was injured (as many have said). RJ can tackle superbly and has great defensive brain but my kids pass the ball better, can run faster etc. etc.

Good luck at the Dingles but you'll be in a relegation dogfight again... Wolves always lay out decent cash for one or maybe two players then use Bosmans / cheapos and free transfers for the rest of the squad.
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Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.


Understand what you are saying when it comes to footballers, but in the real world chopping and changing jobs every 2 years just for the for the sake of more money, builds up a history of no commitment on a person’s CV which will be frowned on by prospective future employers.
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Jul 12 2011, 09:40 AM
Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.


Understand what you are saying when it comes to footballers, but in the real world chopping and changing jobs every 2 years just for the for the sake of more money, builds up a history of no commitment on a person’s CV which will be frowned on by prospective future employers.

I wouldn't if i was on £15K a week and apparently loved the company since I was a boy.

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Jul 12 2011, 08:54 AM
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Jul 12 2011, 09:40 AM
Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.


Understand what you are saying when it comes to footballers, but in the real world chopping and changing jobs every 2 years just for the for the sake of more money, builds up a history of no commitment on a person’s CV which will be frowned on by prospective future employers.

I wouldn't if i was on £15K a week and apparently loved the company since I was a boy.

If ure referring to Gardner he was earning much more than 15k a week !!
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Mirkwood55
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Actually, Stan, in today's job market staying too long at one company is now perceived as lack of ambition. One of my ex-colleagues was once interviewed for a post with another company. "Where do you see yourself in two years time?" they asked. "Hopefully in a more senior position with this company" he replied. "We'll be disappointed if that is the case" they said "if you're any good you will have moved on by then!" Same in football.

Wonder what the Cardiff City boards were saying about RJ and us when we were pursuing him relentlessly, having several bids rejected before they finally gave in. They, too, were trying to build a promotion-winning side. We were newly promoted and hot favourites for relegation. "Why would he want to join a struggling Prem team and leave a successful Championship side pushing for promotion?" What goes around.......... :D
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Jul 12 2011, 10:33 AM
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Jul 12 2011, 08:54 AM
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Jul 12 2011, 09:40 AM
Mirkwood55
Jul 11 2011, 08:55 PM
Step forward any poster who wouldn't move to another company if offered higher wages. Thought not.


Understand what you are saying when it comes to footballers, but in the real world chopping and changing jobs every 2 years just for the for the sake of more money, builds up a history of no commitment on a person’s CV which will be frowned on by prospective future employers.

I wouldn't if i was on £15K a week and apparently loved the company since I was a boy.

If ure referring to Gardner he was earning much more than 15k a week !!

Even more reason not to leave his "Beloved" club then.
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Jul 11 2011, 01:19 PM
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Jul 11 2011, 01:09 PM
I don't understand it.

How do we need the money? What have we spent money on?

a few seasons ago we were one of the only teams in the prem with no debt.

Now we need money?

We have not signed anyone really since Suly & Gold left. At least no one big (Zigic pun). but it literally is a few plays.

Foster, Zigic, Gardner... anyone else?

well, we have made the money back off Gardner and more.

we have got rid of Hleb, Bentley, Martins who were all on big money inc bowyer & Philips whose wages were qhite big too.

So why do we still need money?

Rumour had it that Zigic was likely to go back to spain for 6 mil... fine, that is literally all the transfer fees covered.

Can someone shed some light on this for me?

is it just a case of us not being able to afford the players wages? we have a small squad though!!??

last two season we've been the third highest net spenders in the prem.

Also, the last administration left the club in a worse position than we all thought. Some good accounting going on, and some poor due diligence.

We have ben the third highest spenders in the prem?

Really?

thats mental considering in January alone:
Chelsea bought Luiz £18m
Vile bought Bent £18 m and rising
Liverpool bought Carroll and Suarez
Man City bought Dezeko - can't remember how much but was about 30 mil I think
Tottenham have spent a fortune over the past few years....

and we are still the third biggest spending club?

my maths is clearly rubbish!
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Jul 12 2011, 11:31 AM
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Jul 11 2011, 01:19 PM
edward
Jul 11 2011, 01:09 PM
I don't understand it.

How do we need the money? What have we spent money on?

a few seasons ago we were one of the only teams in the prem with no debt.

Now we need money?

We have not signed anyone really since Suly & Gold left. At least no one big (Zigic pun). but it literally is a few plays.

Foster, Zigic, Gardner... anyone else?

well, we have made the money back off Gardner and more.

we have got rid of Hleb, Bentley, Martins who were all on big money inc bowyer & Philips whose wages were qhite big too.

So why do we still need money?

Rumour had it that Zigic was likely to go back to spain for 6 mil... fine, that is literally all the transfer fees covered.

Can someone shed some light on this for me?

is it just a case of us not being able to afford the players wages? we have a small squad though!!??

last two season we've been the third highest net spenders in the prem.

Also, the last administration left the club in a worse position than we all thought. Some good accounting going on, and some poor due diligence.

We have ben the third highest spenders in the prem?

Really?

thats mental considering in January alone:
Chelsea bought Luiz £18m
Vile bought Bent £18 m and rising
Liverpool bought Carroll and Suarez
Man City bought Dezeko - can't remember how much but was about 30 mil I think
Tottenham have spent a fortune over the past few years....

and we are still the third biggest spending club?

my maths is clearly rubbish!

they are talking about net spend, liverpool sold torres for 50m so they ended up with a very small net spend.
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edward
Jul 12 2011, 11:31 AM
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Jul 11 2011, 01:19 PM
edward
Jul 11 2011, 01:09 PM
I don't understand it.

How do we need the money? What have we spent money on?

a few seasons ago we were one of the only teams in the prem with no debt.

Now we need money?

We have not signed anyone really since Suly & Gold left. At least no one big (Zigic pun). but it literally is a few plays.

Foster, Zigic, Gardner... anyone else?

well, we have made the money back off Gardner and more.

we have got rid of Hleb, Bentley, Martins who were all on big money inc bowyer & Philips whose wages were qhite big too.

So why do we still need money?

Rumour had it that Zigic was likely to go back to spain for 6 mil... fine, that is literally all the transfer fees covered.

Can someone shed some light on this for me?

is it just a case of us not being able to afford the players wages? we have a small squad though!!??

last two season we've been the third highest net spenders in the prem.

Also, the last administration left the club in a worse position than we all thought. Some good accounting going on, and some poor due diligence.

We have ben the third highest spenders in the prem?

Really?

thats mental considering in January alone:
Chelsea bought Luiz £18m
Vile bought Bent £18 m and rising
Liverpool bought Carroll and Suarez
Man City bought Dezeko - can't remember how much but was about 30 mil I think
Tottenham have spent a fortune over the past few years....

and we are still the third biggest spending club?

my maths is clearly rubbish!

I don't think you get the concept of 'net' spending.

Villa bought Bent for £18m - but sold James Milner for £25m. Net spend -£7m.

Liverpool bought Carroll and Suarez for a combined £40m - but sold Torres for £50m. Net spend -£10m.

Chelsea bought Luiz £18m - but sold Carvalho for £8m, Deco for £5m and Stoch for £5m. Net spend £0.

I think Man City and Tottenham are about the only two teams who have had a greater net spend than us over the last two seasons.
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Net spending, fella. It's when you add up the fees paid and deduct the fees received - you get the net transfer spend for a club.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-...bewerb_GB1.html

Last season, including loan fees, Blues spent £22.5m and sold players to the value of £154k.

Thus, the net spend was £22.35m ish.

Only Chelsea and Manchester City had higher NET spends.
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...Apart from Chelsea obviously bought Torres for £50m - so they'd be one team above us last season.
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