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Fire Sale
Topic Started: Jul 6 2011, 09:28 PM (616 Views)
walterblue
Martin Taylor
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can someone at the club please tell us what the hell is going on,
peter pannu tells us that there will be no fire sale and carson yeung is still going to back the club.
But indications appear that zigic,jerome,ferguson,ridgewell,dann,johnson and foster are up for sale,if that is not a fire sale i don t know what is,, and they want promotion.
The last time we got relegated we sold just muamba, how times have changed ?
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.Jake
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 09:28 PM
can someone at the club please tell us what the hell is going on,
peter pannu tells us that there will be no fire sale and carson yeung is still going to back the club.
But indications appear that zigic,jerome,ferguson,ridgewell,dann,johnson and foster are up for sale,if that is not a fire sale i don t know what is,, and they want promotion.
The last time we got relegated we sold just muamba, how times have changed ?

We won't really know either til the players have been sold or the end of the transfer window when they haven't. I would just take on board what you truly believe from certain sources.
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Kyle-KRO
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A fire sale would be players being sold at discounted prices...

Pannu hasn't claimed he won't be selling, just that he won't be selling at low rates. **thumbup
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blueblood
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 09:28 PM
can someone at the club please tell us what the hell is going on,
peter pannu tells us that there will be no fire sale and carson yeung is still going to back the club.
But indications appear that zigic,jerome,ferguson,ridgewell,dann,johnson and foster are up for sale,if that is not a fire sale i don t know what is,, and they want promotion.
The last time we got relegated we sold just muamba, how times have changed ?

The last time we got relegated we didn't have one of the best keepers in the prem, 2 of the best CB's or a big serb on 50k a week.

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Well, we still haven't sold too many at the moment I don't think. Let's see what happens.
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walterblue
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Zigic on 50 grand a week is no brainer, but losing most or all of your top 6 players with how low on numbers we are already is just a recipe for disaster.
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Kaje
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 09:45 PM
Zigic on 50 grand a week is no brainer, but losing most or all of your top 6 players with how low on numbers we are already is just a recipe for disaster.

You're talking as if we won't replace them. Chill!
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Kaje
Jul 6 2011, 09:47 PM
walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 09:45 PM
Zigic on 50 grand a week is no brainer, but losing most or all of your top 6 players with how low on numbers we are already is just a recipe for disaster.

You're talking as if we won't replace them. Chill!

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walterblue
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Replace with what is left of free transfers, ie caldwell or unwanted loan players does not leave me with much confidence.
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 10:28 PM
can someone at the club please tell us what the hell is going on,
peter pannu tells us that there will be no fire sale and carson yeung is still going to back the club.
But indications appear that zigic,jerome,ferguson,ridgewell,dann,johnson and foster are up for sale,if that is not a fire sale i don t know what is,, and they want promotion.
The last time we got relegated we sold just muamba, how times have changed ?

Seems people don't understand the term "fire sale" as coined by Pannu 5 weeks ago.

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A fire sale is the sale of goods at extremely discounted prices

It does not refer to the quantity of stock (or assets or players in this case), but the term refers only to the fact that assets are sold off cheaply - as in the original 'fire sales' when stock got smokey or damp and were sold very cheaply.

You have obviously misunderstood the meaning of 'fire sale' mate, and every player you have listed has got his price - which won't be cheap **thumbup

And every player you've listed, most of us half-expected to go anyway.

If we keep one or two, good. If not - I won't fret about any of them.

**thumbup
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Kaje
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 09:53 PM
Replace with what is left of free transfers, ie caldwell or unwanted loan players does not leave me with much confidence.

A player isn't a bad player just because he's on a free or 'unwanted' by the club he was at.

Are Bowyer, Larsson, McFadden, Parnaby, Upson etc bad players? Nope, they're not, yet they are (or were in Larsson's case) all on frees either by choice or through not being wanted. I'm sure there are more of an even better quality if you dig through the lists this season.
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walterblue
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How do you know they will no be sold for under there market price henderson 16 mill replaced buy a player who scores 10 goals from midfield for up to 6 million is good buisness from only one club and it aint us.
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walterblue
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The players you refer to apart from upson we have just let go so if we don t want or cannot afford players of this calibre we will be looking at less expensive players.
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Kaje
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 10:03 PM
How do you know they will no be sold for under there market price henderson 16 mill replaced buy a player who scores 10 goals from midfield for up to 6 million is good buisness from only one club and it aint us.

The difference is that Henderson is 21, and so can be moulded into anything a manager wants - and essentially has the world at his feet. Gardner is 3 years older, at 24, but has already developed habits that will be hard to get out of.

Not only that, but think of it this way.

We might think that Gardner is worth £10m. That could be said to be his RRP (Recommended Retail Price) like a pair of trainers might have slapped on it by the manufacturer. However, a lot of companies won't sell those trainers at the RRP because the price is too high for the customers, so they sell at what people are prepared to pay. Just as we've had to do with Gardner. We needed him sold, we needed the money, but nobody was climbing over each other to buy, even at £6m.
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.Jake
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Kaje
Jul 6 2011, 10:11 PM
walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 10:03 PM
How do you know they will no be sold for under there market price henderson 16 mill replaced buy a player who scores 10 goals from midfield for up to 6 million is good buisness from only one club and it aint us.

The difference is that Henderson is 21, and so can be moulded into anything a manager wants - and essentially has the world at his feet. Gardner is 3 years older, at 24, but has already developed habits that will be hard to get out of.

Not only that, but think of it this way.

We might think that Gardner is worth £10m. That could be said to be his RRP (Recommended Retail Price) like a pair of trainers might have slapped on it by the manufacturer. However, a lot of companies won't sell those trainers at the RRP because the price is too high for the customers, so they sell at what people are prepared to pay. Just as we've had to do with Gardner. We needed him sold, we needed the money, but nobody was climbing over each other to buy, even at £6m.

Spot on, your only worth the price someone is prepared to pay.
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Kaje
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 10:11 PM
The players you refer to apart from upson we have just let go so if we don t want or cannot afford players of this calibre we will be looking at less expensive players.


Again, a lower wage does not indicate a less able player.

I wish football would move away from it's obsession with money, however fans like this fuel the fire.
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walterblue
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Sunderland have come out of the deal better than us just wait and see ?
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Kaje
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 10:16 PM
Sunderland have come out of the deal better than us just wait and see ?

Have they come out of the deal better? Who knows, we won't until the end of next season.

The fact is, however, we've gained £6m and made £2.5m - £3m on his original fee which was reported to be between £3m and £3.5m.

That isn't terrible business if nobody else was interested and we needed the wages freed and the transfer cash.

I hate the way football is, but you have to look at it in terms of a business. With the wages freed up plus a lump sum, it's a good business move.
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Kyle-KRO
Jul 6 2011, 09:33 PM
A fire sale would be players being sold at discounted prices...

Pannu hasn't claimed he won't be selling, just that he won't be selling at low rates. **thumbup


For the answer to the OP please see above.

**thumbup
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walterblue
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So by selling our saleable assets and replacing with free transfers and loans will not hinder our chances of promotion then.
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stevie p
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Hughton himself has said that he only wants players here who want to stay and try to get us back up. Gardner didn't want to stay because we couldn't improve his 25k a week wages! (the poor thing)

You can't expect to keep all of your better players when you get relegated and there's a huge financial black hole that needs filling - it's the way it is for all relegated clubs.

Why don't you just wait and see who goes and who comes in before jumping off your roof!


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walterblue
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Maybe i am a little bit worried about the way the club seems to be heading but by burying your head in the sand is how we have got here in the first place ?
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walterblue
Jul 6 2011, 11:07 PM
how we have got here in the first place ?

One word: Judas. :o
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walterblue
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Agreed prawnman
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stevie p
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Keep your chin up Walter, there will be more to go yet - but, I do believe looking at some of the CH quotes today that money will be made available to him.


KRO

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