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Topic Started: Jul 18 2011, 08:42 AM (2,961 Views)
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Jul 18 2011, 06:17 PM
Maybe his son posts on here...

Probably on the Man Utd forums - after all he's named after Ryan Giggs !!

Disgraceful that Mike Wiseman has been ousted. Don't buy this "persuing other interests" rhetoric one bit. Does Yeung think we were born yesterday ?

Oh no, that was our latest board member :copno:
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Having read Wiseman's statement, he appears to have left perfectly amicably, and will remain in an ambassadorial role. It doesn't seem very cloak and dagger to me, no matter how much some on here want it to be.
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Jul 18 2011, 10:31 PM
Having read Wiseman's statement, he appears to have left perfectly amicably, and will remain in an ambassadorial role. It doesn't seem very cloak and dagger to me, no matter how much some on here want it to be.

I don't think anyone wants it to be Migs. Nature abhors a vaccuum, and so does a football fan when it comes to information on the integrity of their club.
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Michael Wiseman "has accepted A REQUEST to step down from the Birmingham City board"

Sounds like he had very little choice. I have met Mike many times. I very much doubt he wanted to step down. He was proud to be on the board, proud to have followed in his fathers footsteps.

To me, the timing of this has a funny smell about it < <
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Jul 18 2011, 09:42 PM
Michael Wiseman "has accepted A REQUEST to step down from the Birmingham City board"

Sounds like he had very little choice. I have met Mike many times. I very much doubt he wanted to step down. He was proud to be on the board, proud to have followed in his fathers footsteps.

To me, the timing of this has a funny smell about it < <

I have to admit it stinks.
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People seem to be ignoring the salient issue : Peter Pannu is now a director which is really welcomed news.

I’m delighted he is now a director, to me he has achieved a great deal and is badly needed on our board.

With M Wiseman I’m undecided. Sure his family have a fantastic history of support for the Club but I don’t know what his personal qualifications are, what specific role he played and what his individual responsibilities were. As an outsider Mr Wiseman could probably maintain his representative roles as an ambassador anyway so we probably won't notice any change here.

Lastly, I obviously don’t know Ryan Yeung – but I fail to accept his age should be a barrier to a directorship. Surely he is entitled to be given an opportunity.
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Jul 18 2011, 10:14 PM
Lastly, I obviously don’t know Ryan Yeung – but I fail to accept his age should be a barrier to a directorship. Surely he is entitled to be given an opportunity.

Two points from OP that really strike with me...

"Having a director of a multi-million international business who is not long out of school isn’t particularly my idea of a good move,but it’s one that I can understand."

And most importantly...

"and who if the worst comes to the worst can take control of his father’s shares to prevent them being seized in any order to freeze Carson’s assets."

Its a reality that he could become the "owner" of BCFC within the next few weeks.

Tomorrow I'm going to send the club a copy of Football Manager 2011 just to show um the ropes................ :whistle:

http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/23...he-younger.html
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Jul 18 2011, 11:14 PM
People seem to be ignoring the salient issue : Peter Pannu is now a director which is really welcomed news.

I’m delighted he is now a director, to me he has achieved a great deal and is badly needed on our board.

With M Wiseman I’m undecided. Sure his family have a fantastic history of support for the Club but I don’t know what his personal qualifications are, what specific role he played and what his individual responsibilities were. As an outsider Mr Wiseman could probably maintain his representative roles as an ambassador anyway so we probably won't notice any change here.

Lastly, I obviously don’t know Ryan Yeung – but I fail to accept his age should be a barrier to a directorship. Surely he is entitled to be given an opportunity.

Aussie - The problem is that so many talk on this message board with ultimate confidence in themselves on every angle of the club. Rightly or wrongly they are of course welcome to have an opinion. However for a good few it's opinion based on rumour, lack of understanding, with partial facts/no facts or just simply a long held belief.

I've been banging my head against a brick wall for the last few weeks watching mis truths fly around and ridiculous notions on how business works.

For all that you wrote in your post, thank you - for supplying the best well worded response to all of the above that I could have imagined.
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Jul 18 2011, 11:32 PM
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Jul 18 2011, 10:14 PM
Lastly, I obviously don’t know Ryan Yeung – but I fail to accept his age should be a barrier to a directorship. Surely he is entitled to be given an opportunity.

Two points from OP that really strike with me...

"Having a director of a multi-million international business who is not long out of school isn’t particularly my idea of a good move,but it’s one that I can understand."

And most importantly...

"and who if the worst comes to the worst can take control of his father’s shares to prevent them being seized in any order to freeze Carson’s assets."

Its a reality that he could become the "owner" of BCFC within the next few weeks.

Tomorrow I'm going to send the club a copy of Football Manager 2011 just to show um the ropes................ :whistle:

http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/23...he-younger.html

BIHL will still own Birmingham city FC.
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Jul 18 2011, 11:44 PM
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Jul 18 2011, 11:32 PM
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Jul 18 2011, 10:14 PM
Lastly, I obviously don’t know Ryan Yeung – but I fail to accept his age should be a barrier to a directorship. Surely he is entitled to be given an opportunity.

Two points from OP that really strike with me...

"Having a director of a multi-million international business who is not long out of school isn’t particularly my idea of a good move,but it’s one that I can understand."

And most importantly...

"and who if the worst comes to the worst can take control of his father’s shares to prevent them being seized in any order to freeze Carson’s assets."

Its a reality that he could become the "owner" of BCFC within the next few weeks.

Tomorrow I'm going to send the club a copy of Football Manager 2011 just to show um the ropes................ :whistle:

http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/23...he-younger.html

BIHL will still own Birmingham city FC.

I mean in terms of if he takes control of the majority shares, in other words a straight replacement for Carson as it says in the second paragraph, he would be the controlling share holder of BIH and a Director of BCFC.
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Jul 18 2011, 10:31 PM
Having read Wiseman's statement, he appears to have left perfectly amicably, and will remain in an ambassadorial role.  It doesn't seem very cloak and dagger to me, no matter how much some on here want it to be.


:applause:

2 points.

Michael Wiseman says that he was always an unpaid and voluntary worker. A meeter and greeter on match days and functions. He will remain doing the same, but will not any longer have a legal responsibilty that a Directorship involves.
This may well suit him.
He also says that he has never had ANY shares in Blues. Either under this regime or previous ones.

Think about that. A director who has never held shares in the company?

I think Ryan may be a worst case scenario. Either Carson's assets get frozen or he gets a negative outcome in court.
By placing Ryan on the board he will retain his family connection and his own financial and emotional interests in Blues.
Owen Oyston did the same when he got banged up. His son came out of nowhere and became the leader of Blackpool's board.
Nepotism? Aston Villa, Blackpool, Arsenal one of the Bristol clubs, I can't remember which one.The list is pretty long.

As a PS, I am glad to see that Peter Pannu has been recognised and has moved up from being an employee to be on the board.
He has held everything together these last few weeks.
(Even if his PR skills are cr@p :D )

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Blue Raphealite Posted on Jul 19 2011, 12:57 AM

He also says that he has never had ANY shares in Blues. Either under this regime or previous ones.

Think about that. A director who has never held shares in the company?

BR - Why do you raise this as an issue for Mike Wiseman?

He is after all being replaced by two further Directors - Ryan Yeung and Peter Pannu - who also have no shares in the Company but in addition have absolutely no experience of the football culture in the UK nor of managing a Football Club. :banghead:
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Jul 18 2011, 09:32 AM
Michael Wiseman was in Cork the weekend, i never spoke to him personally, but a few noses i know did speak to him and they said that he was quoted as

" He was very concerned indeed about the situation at the club and that he was very very worried for the short term future of the club"

As i said i was out there but didnt speak to him personally.

This is ONLY 'hear say'. People leave boards etc so again if Mr Wiseman is really concerned about the club he would NOT have jumped ship.He is BLUES through & through so he has left to do other things NOT left becaus ethe club is doomed !!! The reason why we are in the Championship is the lack of effect by the players NOT the board. The club isnow in debt so we have to sell to balance the books.Blame the players were we are NOT the board.
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Jul 18 2011, 06:17 PM
Maybe his son posts on here...

Migster?! :o
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Jul 19 2011, 05:34 AM
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Blue Raphealite Posted on Jul 19 2011, 12:57 AM

He also says that he has never had ANY shares in Blues. Either under this regime or previous ones.

Think about that. A director who has never held shares in the company?

BR - Why do you raise this as an issue for Mike Wiseman?

He is after all being replaced by two further Directors - Ryan Yeung and Peter Pannu - who also have no shares in the Company but in addition have absolutely no experience of the football culture in the UK nor of managing a Football Club. :banghead:

Exactly :applause:
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Jul 19 2011, 10:11 AM
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Jul 18 2011, 06:17 PM
Maybe his son posts on here...

Migster?! :o

Sorry, I'm only an teenage boy between 9 and 10pm on Sundays... :whistle:
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Jul 19 2011, 08:48 AM
friendly76
Jul 18 2011, 09:32 AM
Michael Wiseman was in Cork the weekend, i never spoke to him personally, but a few noses i know did speak to him and they said that he was quoted as

" He was very concerned indeed about the situation at the club and that he was very very worried for the short term future of the club"

As i said i was out there but didnt speak to him personally.

This is ONLY 'hear say'. People leave boards etc so again if Mr Wiseman is really concerned about the club he would NOT have jumped ship.He is BLUES through & through so he has left to do other things NOT left becaus ethe club is doomed !!! The reason why we are in the Championship is the lack of effect by the players NOT the board. The club isnow in debt so we have to sell to balance the books.Blame the players were we are NOT the board.

While I agree with some of your post he did not choose to "jump ship" he was asked to step down, so if he did jump he did so before he was pushed.

From what I can see he has left with dignity and by doing so he has avoided even more negative press that would have been generated if he was forced out. It looks like he had the best interests of the club in his mind throughout which can only be applauded.
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His new title Honoray vice-president?

What does this involve?



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sky sports news have announced 'birmingham appoint michael wiseman as honorary vice-president after he leaves board'.

huh?!
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It is a sweetner to make him stand down without a fuss.

I imagine it will be more of an hospitality role meeting the opposition officials on match days etc.
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so he is still with the club? just playing a different role?
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I was speaking to my father - in - law this morning about this nad even he says this doesnt look good.

He said that Carson has put his son on the borad for knowing that he knows he is going to be sent down.

plus if that is the case then the honk kong govornment would own his shares apparently.

But there is a twist as im sure i rear somewhere that under FA law no govornment are allowed ownership or shares within a football club so in theory the club could be sold.

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How many A Levels does this kid have ??



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Jul 19 2011, 12:57 AM
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Jul 18 2011, 10:31 PM
Having read Wiseman's statement, he appears to have left perfectly amicably, and will remain in an ambassadorial role.  It doesn't seem very cloak and dagger to me, no matter how much some on here want it to be.


:applause:

2 points.

Michael Wiseman says that he was always an unpaid and voluntary worker. A meeter and greeter on match days and functions. He will remain doing the same, but will not any longer have a legal responsibilty that a Directorship involves.
This may well suit him.
He also says that he has never had ANY shares in Blues. Either under this regime or previous ones.

Think about that. A director who has never held shares in the company?

I think Ryan may be a worst case scenario. Either Carson's assets get frozen or he gets a negative outcome in court.
By placing Ryan on the board he will retain his family connection and his own financial and emotional interests in Blues.
Owen Oyston did the same when he got banged up. His son came out of nowhere and became the leader of Blackpool's board.
Nepotism? Aston Villa, Blackpool, Arsenal one of the Bristol clubs, I can't remember which one.The list is pretty long.

As a PS, I am glad to see that Peter Pannu has been recognised and has moved up from being an employee to be on the board.
He has held everything together these last few weeks.
(Even if his PR skills are cr@p :D )

**thumbup

Board members are still employees if they are paid for their work, but now he does get a real vote on board decisions.
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Jul 19 2011, 01:52 PM
His new title Honoray vice-president?

What does this involve?

Honorary vice president normally means you get invited to all the parties and get to act as an ambassador as appropriate. If nothing else he'll get into all the matches for free for his contribution, as do other club volunteers.
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