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Topic Started: Jul 18 2011, 08:42 AM (2,960 Views)
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Jul 18 2011, 10:42 PM
Michael Wiseman "has accepted A REQUEST to step down from the Birmingham City board"

Sounds like he had very little choice. I have met Mike many times. I very much doubt he wanted to step down. He was proud to be on the board, proud to have followed in his fathers footsteps.

To me, the timing of this has a funny smell about it  < <

You may find that under the company articles only so many board members are allowed. So if they wanted Pannu on the board someone had to stand down. Nothing untoward about this.

Making people honary vice-presidents is a very normal process for people leaving the board of any organisation in recognition of their work and also allowing them to be involved in the club.

In some organisations honorary vice-presidents are asked to attend board meetings but without a vote to act as advisors in certain areas.
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For the first time in my lifetime (except the first three years) of supporting Blues. there is no Wiseman on the board of BCFC.

I knew the family when they were Plumbers in Conybere Street, Balsall Heath. At the time I left school in 1946. Met the present Grandsons, Grand father and his father Jack, a few times in the course of work.

What I find very puzzling in the present situation of Blues, is the silence coming from the other shareholders. After all Yeung is supposedly owning only 29.9%. Where are the owners of the remaining 70.1%?.

I had shares in Blues, for many years, handed down to me by my Dad, but I now regret selling them, when the current owners took over. I can assure you all, I would have been asking a lot of questions, if I had not.

I am very concerned by the total apparent silence of the other shareholders.

On the question of his son becoming a director. Could this be the prelude to Yeungs shares being transferred to his son, prior to his court hearing, so as to avoid the H K government taking them over if he is proved guilty ?.
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By the sounds of things he has been asked to step down from the board but still have an input in the running of the club...

So...doing the same job but not drawing a wage from the club.

BAD TIMES!!!!
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banno_123 Posted on Jul 19 2011, 04:17 PM
By the sounds of things he has been asked to step down from the board but still have an input in the running of the club...

So...doing the same job but not drawing a wage from the club.

BAD TIMES!!!!

He was never paid by the Club :o
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Michael Wiseman "has accepted A REQUEST to step down from the Birmingham City board"

Sounds like he had very little choice. I have met Mike many times. I very much doubt he wanted to step down. He was proud to be on the board, proud to have followed in his fathers footsteps.

To me, the timing of this has a funny smell about it  < <

You may find that under the company articles only so many board members are allowed. So if they wanted Pannu on the board someone had to stand down. Nothing untoward about this.


Ok, BUT he was replaced by 2, Pannu and Young Yeung, so this argument doesn't stack up.

Funny none of this happened until Carson's arrest :rolleyes:
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.
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Paul Tait's Tee-Shirt Posted on Jul 19 2011, 04:55 PM

Ok, BUT he was replaced by 2, Pannu and Young Yeung, so this argument doesn't stack up.

Funny none of this happened until Carson's arrest  :rolleyes:


Young Yeung :LMAO:

I always thought CY was a contradiction - "Old Yeung" :blink: :LOL:
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Wiseman didn't leave he was asked to step down - in other words they got rid of him. They obviously don't want him asking awkward questions or witnessing what they are up to. Vey worrying!
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.
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Does anyone know how much in salary CY's son will taking out of the club as Mike Wiseman's replacement? I can guess that it won't be peanuts and what can an eighteen year old contribute to the running of the club? We are being mugged by these Chinese!
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Maybe his son posts on here...

Migster?! :o

Sorry, I'm only an teenage boy between 9 and 10pm on Sundays... :whistle:

Cue lowdham

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Jul 19 2011, 10:01 PM
Does anyone know how much in salary CY's son will taking out of the club as Mike Wiseman's replacement? I can guess that it won't be peanuts and what can an eighteen year old contribute to the running of the club? We are being mugged by these Chinese!

As Yeungs son, he may not be taking anything.

He's probably there as Carsons mouthpiece, and will have nothing to do with running the club, which is mostly done by Pannu anyway.

And I'd like you to explain how you come to the conclusion that they are mugging us, when Carson remortgaged his house in order to help keep us afloat last season.

If anything, its the club (or more accuratly its expensive overpriced players) that's been mugging him.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.
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Does anyone know how much in salary CY's son will taking out of the club as Mike Wiseman's replacement? I can guess that it won't be peanuts and what can an eighteen year old contribute to the running of the club? We are being mugged by these Chinese!

Salary?

For a club in debt? Even Shareholder get nowt.

They will get the same as Sullivan/Gold got - NO salary NO payment.

But they are entitled to expenses (travel etc, socialisation etc) and, if they are canny like Sullivan and Gold they can pay themselves £500,000 per year for consultation fees.
Companies that loan Blues money will also get interest fees.And money returned.

So if one of Carson's many companies loaned us money, they will get some small percentage of that companies profits. Like £5 ? For Ryan?

The fact that Carson mortgaged his property in Hong Kong to pay the wages for Mcleish's and Montgomery's demanded players (Derbyshire/Hleb/Martins/Bentley) should show that salaries and taking money out of the club are not paramount.

Supporting Blues was paramount.

Carson did that.

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And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to  the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

Kyle-

Love you my friend.And don't want to fall out with you.

This is a hard decision and coupled with Ryan ( an 18 year old) being proposed for the board shows the gulf between Eastern and Western sensibilities.

Nothing more.

Nothing sinister.

Carson doesn't want to be screwed by other shareholders and has done exactly what the pre-Ellis owners of Villa did.
Fill the boardroom with trusted mates, if you haven't got trusted mates, put your son in there!

(Villa has has been airbrushed on the Net, :) , and although a close friend is a villa 12 toe, he wouldn't tell me who the pre-Ellis owner was. I think - Bentley or something like that. But all trace has gone on Google. Funny ? )

Ryan's position on Blues is dependant on the majority shareholding. The other 75-80% accepting him.

Michael Wiseman?
A permanent non-shareholder. An accountant whose company is small end.
A shaker of hands, a Bon Viveur, an English speaking Receptionist to Box-Renters.
he has a link with Blues through his family.

But that is it.

It's a Monty Python question. What have the Wiseman's ever done for Blues ?
Other than being around a long time?

Would you trace Man Utd's History to prove an old connection existed? And if it was relevant??
Would you consider finding any older relevance amongst:-

Arsenal( better not :D )
Villa?
Blackburn even ?
Wolves?
Leicester?
Coventry?
Chelsea!!!!!
Fulham ?
I can't go on :D

Sorry Kyle that we disaggree on this point.
The Wiseman family have been long linked to the Blues boardroom, as many other families have amongst many other clubs.

And Michael remains here, putting in the same input, creating as much advancement for Blues as his family did in years past.

Which is what? Like others, I have met him. Affable, wanted to know which company I owned, then lost interest and moved on, when I told him I was on the dole. (Another misfired joke :LMAO: )

To Michael:
Sorry Michael, but lets get a balance here between idolisation and generational freeloading.
Perhaps you can explain in another interview, somewhere, what exactly you or your family did for Blues ?
Rattle few skeletons.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart
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Does anyone know how much in salary CY's son will taking out of the club as Mike Wiseman's replacement? I can guess that it won't be peanuts and what can an eighteen year old contribute to the running of the club? We are being mugged by these Chinese!

What has age got to do with anything?

What did Wiseman contribute? Other than his family being long standing members of our board.

You dont know anything about this kid, so why slag him off?

Lets give him a chance and not presume our club is in turmoil, cos its not.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.

Good post, nobody seems to appreciate this sort of stuff from the board and just take it for granted.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.

Good post, nobody seems to appreciate this sort of stuff from the board and just take it for granted.

how about offering st andys as colateral for the borrowing they have - the difference is the old board spent theirmoney - yeung plainly has none and is spending the banks mone and when they comecalling and he cant repay what then...borrowing against the ground is not a good idea
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.

Good post, nobody seems to appreciate this sort of stuff from the board and just take it for granted.

how about offering st andys as colateral for the borrowing they have - the difference is the old board spent theirmoney - yeung plainly has none and is spending the banks mone and when they comecalling and he cant repay what then...borrowing against the ground is not a good idea

Where is the proof he can't pay off his debts? Football is unpredictable but the banks wouldn't have lent him any money if he couldn't pay the loan back.
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.

Good post, nobody seems to appreciate this sort of stuff from the board and just take it for granted.

how about offering st andys as colateral for the borrowing they have - the difference is the old board spent theirmoney - yeung plainly has none and is spending the banks mone and when they comecalling and he cant repay what then...borrowing against the ground is not a good idea

Where is the proof he can't pay off his debts? Football is unpredictable but the banks wouldn't have lent him any money if he couldn't pay the loan back.

thats why he was forced to put up the ground as security
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the big thing for me is he is a blues fan and has the interests of the club at heart - the others are all johnny come latleys who probly didnt even know we existed 10 years ago and will probably not be here in 10 years time.

And?

I couldn't give a stuff if they are life long Bluenoses, or wouldn't know a football pitch from a sale pitch, as long as they back the manager, and make sure the club is never at risk of going under.

And, so far, thats what the current board has tried to do, with varying degrees of success.

And... It means that some supporters care about history and having a connection with at least one person in the room when decisions are being made in regards to the club they love. The Wiseman's have been our link to the inner workings of Blues for over 80 years. It's as if we had someone on board who knew and shared our thoughts and feelings, and had the position and ability to express them. That's gone now. None of us want to run the risk of Blues going under, but however sentimental it may be it was nice to have someone on the board that I know loves Birmingham City Football Club, and I'm gutted that's no longer the case.

You'll notice I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be fans, only that they shouldn't have to be fans to have the clubs best interests at heart.

In fact, not being a fan may lead the club into making better buisness decisions, because these decisions would be made with the head, rather than the heart.

Generally, I agree though. It would be nice if they were fans, but I'd prefer it even more if they were good buisnessmen.

you only have to look at their actions to know they dont have the clubs interests at heart

Based on what?

Mortgaging your house to keep the club afloat
Threatening to take another club to court to gain adequate compensation for a manager
Investing more money in the club in 18 months than the last board did in ten years.

Are you upset that they're not buying £10m players every other week, and offering you free trips to China with every season ticket?

Please explain how they haven't tried their damnedness to make their tenure a success.

Good post, nobody seems to appreciate this sort of stuff from the board and just take it for granted.

how about offering st andys as colateral for the borrowing they have - the difference is the old board spent theirmoney - yeung plainly has none and is spending the banks mone and when they comecalling and he cant repay what then...borrowing against the ground is not a good idea

Where is the proof he can't pay off his debts? Football is unpredictable but the banks wouldn't have lent him any money if he couldn't pay the loan back.

thats why he was forced to put up the ground as security

Everyone wants security. He wouldn't have brought us if he didn't think the club could make money.
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