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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 23 2011, 09:00 AM (779 Views) | |
| Bluebird | Aug 23 2011, 09:00 AM Post #1 |
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Paul Tait
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I have just come across this Link on another Forum: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-.../article/65340/ And all because the Football Dinosaurs are not prepared to accept the truth.
Of course based on the information provided of analysing 713 incidents in 250hrs, that works out at approximately 21mins per incident. But I guess they must be referring to the amount of time he took to locate each incident, analyse and then compile his Report :blink: :unsure: Bottom line - Incidents do not even themselves out over a Season for any Team with the exception of Spurs, Hub Nickers and Blackbum who should have no complaints :) |
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| Mr. Blue | Aug 23 2011, 10:26 AM Post #2 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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I just don't understand why so many ref's, linesmen and assistants are just total gimps. Surely there must be more people, with common sense, out there willing to take on the roles? |
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| grumpyoldman100 | Aug 23 2011, 10:35 AM Post #3 |
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Alex Govan
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I think if you ever attempted to referee a match you would find just how difficult it is. Refs and linesmen have always made mistakes, the trouble is today there are loads of cameras every where and incidents can be reviewed over and over again, even then the pundits disagree on what the correct decision should be. The refs have a split second to make a decision. Don't get me wrong I've ranted at officials at nearly every match I attend but they do have a difficult job. |
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| bluecity043 | Aug 23 2011, 10:51 AM Post #4 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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So we shouldn't have been relegated? Well I never :angry: |
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| Wheniwinthelottery | Aug 23 2011, 11:08 AM Post #5 |
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Trevor Hockey
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Don't get me wrong, I'm gutted we went down. BUT i just think it'd lose some of the excitement if there were never anyy mistakes made! I mean sometimes St Andrews only gets loud when people are having a go at the ref! Other times we've benefited from a wrong decision, and everyone has loved it. Bringing in technology would get rid of all of this, and at the end of the day if half the team had turned up against Fulham we probably wouldn't have gone down anyway. |
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| sam_tiltonrdblue | Aug 23 2011, 11:10 AM Post #6 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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football would be boring if every decision was right got to have some controversy |
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| fatlad | Aug 23 2011, 11:21 AM Post #7 |
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Malcom Page
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what amazes me is that some geek has sat there want watched every game to come up with that conclusion :D |
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| blue casual | Aug 23 2011, 11:50 AM Post #8 |
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Too true. It also removes the ability to influence the referee in home fixtures, which would disadvantage and further pacify the vociferous, partisan crowd we have at St.Andrews. |
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| Raters | Aug 23 2011, 11:59 AM Post #9 |
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Bob Latchford
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Good point, never thought of that :applause: |
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| Elvis | Aug 23 2011, 12:00 PM Post #10 |
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Paul Tait
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Its all speculation really - if a goal had been given where previously it wasn't, you have no idea how this would have effected the game.. we may have scored an extra goal but that might have wound the other team up enough to score a futher two.... But I agree with the thought process of the technology - it should not be left up to an opinion when there is so much at stake.... But things happen for a reason and we would be even more sheete if we had this team in the premiership.... |
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| kroblues | Aug 23 2011, 12:56 PM Post #11 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Have you had a go then? I mean, if the solution's that obvious you must have seen how easy it is to referee a game, right? |
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| Mr. Blue | Aug 23 2011, 02:02 PM Post #12 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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No I haven't had a go at Premier league level... I still recognise that some refs are gimps. Whats your point? |
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| blueblood | Aug 23 2011, 02:11 PM Post #13 |
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Johnny Vincent
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Have a go yourself then because you're clearly not a gimp. Start with under 12s and I'll look forward to seeing you in the Premier League in the next 2 years. **thumbup |
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| blueblood | Aug 23 2011, 02:20 PM Post #14 |
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Johnny Vincent
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21 minutes per incident? :LOL: The only significant incident which he can be qualified to give his opinion on would be ball going over the line for a goal. Because thats a fact. His other significant incidents such as penalties, fouls and offsides are a matter of opinion from that of the match referee. At the end of the day, any decision a referee makes on the pitch is his honest, unbiased decision based on the information he has infront of his from his position. If he makes a mistake then thats life. Players make just as many mistakes if not more. |
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| stevmag | Aug 23 2011, 02:24 PM Post #15 |
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Martin Grainger
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-.../article/65340/ |
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| blueblood | Aug 23 2011, 02:25 PM Post #16 |
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Johnny Vincent
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Look at the topic below. |
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| brummie65 | Aug 23 2011, 02:36 PM Post #17 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Its always been the same, I dont think we would have been relegated from prem at all due to poor decisions made. Just look back at each prem relegation season and check those games we were robbed!! |
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| kroblues | Aug 23 2011, 03:02 PM Post #18 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Did I say Premier League level? Even refereeing a game in the local leagues is hard, in some respects harder than in the higher leagues as you don't have assistants. All I'm saying is that maybe you should try refereeing a game before you make judgements on the best in the country as being "gimps". |
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| Migster | Aug 23 2011, 03:06 PM Post #19 |
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Bob Latchford
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Refereeing's difficult. At any moment you get a second or so to make a decision, and you only get one go at it. And whilst it's okay for everybody else on the pitch to misplace passes or mistime tackles or any other number of mistakes, any error by the ref is pounced on by the fans and pundits who more often than not have the gift of replays from various angles. |
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| murasame | Aug 23 2011, 03:42 PM Post #20 |
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I agree it's difficult. A referee gets just one look at an incident, which he has to judge in real time, from just one angle, which is often obscured by other players in between. It doesn't help that those same players are also doing everything in their power to cheat or trick him into giving a wrong decision in their favour. I'm not just talking about diving or sneaky Henry/Maradona style handballs either, but every time a ball goes out for a throw-in both team's players will try to claim it, no matter how obvious it was who kicked it out. Trying to officiate a game where cheating is widely accepted as part of it, where every error you make is broadcast to the world from every angle, leaving you open to ridicule from players, managers, fans, pundits etc is hard work. I feel a lot of sympathy for them and they should be given the help technology could provide. It should be done on a 'challenge' basis like in tennis, cricket, American football etc, where teams can ask for decisions to be reviewed a certain number of times per match, only being overturned if it is proven conclusively that the original decision was wrong. Checking the tape should take no longer than a substitution and remove a lot of the bad feeling that can surround a game. For those that like a bit of controversy because it 'makes it interesting', would you also agree that an occasional wrongful criminal conviction is also fine as long as it keeps the judicial system 'interesting'? |
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| Des | Aug 23 2011, 03:48 PM Post #21 |
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Malcom Page
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Mr Blue so its pretty obvious that you have never officiated any game at any level. It is a desperately difficult job whether its judging a penalty after a tangle of legs or deciding a close run out! I support all officials 100% however if there is technology available it should be used. Look at test cricket with Hawkeye, hotspot & the whole decision review system brilliant!! KRO |
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| Kyle-KRO | Aug 23 2011, 03:58 PM Post #22 |
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If there had been the technology that is available now when professional football began, I've little doubt that they'd have used it... I don't like the 'human error is a part of the game' argument; I'm far more interested in getting decisions correct, and whatever helps officials do that should be utilised. |
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| brumtum | Aug 23 2011, 04:02 PM Post #23 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Get over it,We have lived off the 66 world cup for all these years thanks to no line cameras :kiss: |
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| midland red | Aug 23 2011, 11:11 PM Post #24 |
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Mikael Forssell
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It wouldn't be this team though would it Elvis? We wouldn't have to find £40mill to pay wages of players and staff. AND Mcleish would have come back from Corsica, refreshed, renewed and buying up 32 year old Scots and doling out £60k a week contracts to failed galacticos. They say that Refs can't do post-match interviews because of the possibilty that clubs may appeal a decision they made - sub judice. As much as I'd like a Ref to defend his assistant's decision when TV showed a ball over a line and the Ref supported his assistant, that it didn't - and squirm - it won't happen. :D The score won't change will it? Unless the Ref has access - or the 4th Official has access to instant replays, for a 3rd opinion - the game has to rely upon the ability, skills and integrity of the officials. The elite squad of Refs are now on £60k (plus expenses) - the editor of a regional newspaper is on a par with a senior nurse - £25k...a year. So, with their wages they should be able to accept the pressure that investigations like this prove. Accept the responsibility. I'm glad they named Garret as making identical mistakes running the line. **thumbup |
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| Elvis | Aug 23 2011, 11:23 PM Post #25 |
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Paul Tait
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I still believe that we would have had a huge exitus of players and no money available to invest in new players... but that's a little off topic.... |
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