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Fahey + Spector = No Good; Elliott needed.
Topic Started: Nov 19 2011, 06:17 PM (1,499 Views)
willvbcfc
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It's been patently obvious over the last few months that neither of them have the physical ability nor the presence on the ball to play together. As a consequence, we struggle to command the most important area of the pitch and are always susceptible to being 'nullified' by the opposition, as was the case against Brighton a few weeks back - or 'robbed' as was the case today.

Many people on here will know that in the past, I have defended Fahey to the hilt. I always said that it was McLeish's use of him on the left flank that hindered his performance and he was indeed a very skillful and clever player.

I was wrong.

His forward pass completion rate this season must be in single figures. 99% of the time his forward passes are wild and totally aimless. His physical presence in the midfield is akin to that of a butterfly in the wind. People who say he does a lot of good, hard work for the team - fair enough, but he's always shadowboxing, never really getting stuck in. When was the last time you saw him really commit to a challenge?

Today, he didn't do badly first half - granted. That's because the fullbacks and wingers were so profitable that his simple sidewards balls were enough to keep our momentum.

But my issue with Keith is that when the chips are down and things get tough - he disappears. When Peterborough scored, where on earth did our midfield vanish to for the last 20 minutes? In injury time, when we desperately needed to get the ball into the box, he gave the ball away twice - once nearly leading to a Peterborough goal. My point is, he bottles it when the pressure is on.

As for his partner, Spector didn't play badly today. However, I still don't think his passing range is good enough to play central midfield and he should be used as right back cover. He's better than Fahey at breaking up play, but with him, anything longer than a ten yard pass and things start to get ropy.

I'm sure the guys sitting around me are pretty fed up of me saying this now (something that stretches back to the Leicester City match at home), but we need to play Wade Elliott in central midfield. I know Tom Ross was saying after the match he's more effective out wide, but in Burnley's promotion season, he played central midfield and was outstanding. After all, how less effective can you get than Keith Fahey this season?

Wade would give us the composure on the ball in midfield that we desperately lack and Spector, until Gomis/Mutch returns, will just about give us that ankle biting presence alongside him.

Just please, Chrissy Hughton, change it around on Tuesday, deservedly drop Fahey and give Wade the chance to shine against his old club.
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Well Spector and Fahey / Elliot is the best we've got so id get used to it! Id play Elliot instead of Fahey on tuesday just so the crowed dont moan everytime he touches the bloody ball!!
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your correct but we are going nowhere this yeat the fowards have been awful last 2 games today
5 shots on target only scored 1
they had only 1 shot on target and 0 off target and they scored
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Gil Merrick
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Nov 19 2011, 06:22 PM
Well Spector and Fahey / Elliot is the best we've got so id get used to it! Id play Elliot instead of Fahey on tuesday just so the crowed dont moan everytime he touches the bloody ball!!

As I said, I'd be more than happy with a Spector/Elliott midfield - something I could definitely get used to!
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With each game that passes the moans about Fahey grow. Rightly so. CH would be doing him a great favour by getting rid in January. The constant back passes remain an annoyance but today he very nearly cost us the game when he gave the ball away right at the end. Were boro a bit sharper they would have done us 2-1. I cant accept that hes played simply because we have no one better in that position and please CH just put someone else, anyone else, in there for 2 -3 games to see how they get on. Im trying hard not to have a go at Spector but starting to fail there as well but please please lets ship Fahey out as soon as we can. Sorry Keith, youve played a lot of games for the good guys but its time to move on. KRO.
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until mutch comes back it has to be elliot and spector in cm, fahey isnt impressing atm, not sure about ndaw and gomis, but out of the players we know well enough, it has to be elliot and spector for me
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N'Daw and Elliott/Fahey for me.

Would even consider N'Daw and two from Spector/Fahey/Elliott with Burke, Beausejour, and one of the centre forwards in a 4-3-3.
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Fahey and Spector were woefull in the second halfand are not good enough to support the front 2 who were also woefull most the game with the chances they missed.
The truth is we have a weak midfield and have got away with it so far. Why does CH not give n'daw a chance with elliott.
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I know a lot of people don't rate him, but I like N'Daw.

The only drawback with him is that inevitably he will get a yellow card - this seems to be why Hughton doesn't play him often.

But I'd definitely like to see more of him in place of Spector.

Fahey was awful today. As someone else pointed out, he could have lost us the game near the end.

Not quite sure what has made him like this. When he first joined the club he demonstrated that he was more than capable of holding his own in this division and proved himself more than capable of playing at a higher level. He was also immense in the CC Final.

Confidence-wise he seems to have hit rock-bottom.
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Blues centre midfied in order of merit - according to me

Mutch
Elliott
Gomis
N'Daw
Spector
Fahey.

I am giving CH the benefit of the doubt - I hopefully think that due to an enormous amount of games we have to play then he plays his shocking two centre midfielders against the so-called "easier" opposition.
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I didn't include N'Daw in my post, but yeah, I'd definitely give him a shout ahead of Fahey!
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For me Fahey is the best midfielder at the club, he played a deeper role today , he kept the ball and kept us moving, he has been the best player in the team over the last 5 games.

Gomis is a Div 2 player
Spector is a real trier but is limited.
NDaw, I would play next to Fahey until Mutch is fit

For me it is the formation that is wrong, it is admirable that we are trying to attack , but playing 2 wingers basically means our CM's are always out numbered , then they can't bomb on because we would be left exposed, 451/433 is the way forward. How many times did we look up today with the ball and there is only 2 long ball options, now I think we played very , very well in the 1st half , in fact I can't remember the last time we created so many chances, the creative start to that half was Fahey. At this level he has played no more than 30 - 40 games in CM , he is still developing even at his age, he isn't great , but he is a very decent player at this level.

CH , who knows far more than all of us seems to realise his worth, and although I have my opinions on his formation, I will bow to his better knowledge of his players.

Support him, he is one of our more important players, confidence will make him a better player!!!!!!
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Nov 19 2011, 09:17 PM
:ph43r: :ph43r:

For me Fahey is the best midfielder at the club, he played a deeper role today , he kept the ball and kept us moving, he has been the best player in the team over the last 5 games.

Gomis is a Div 2 player
Spector is a real trier but is limited.
NDaw, I would play next to Fahey until Mutch is fit

For me it is the formation that is wrong, it is admirable that we are trying to attack , but playing 2 wingers basically means our CM's are always out numbered , then they can't bomb on because we would be left exposed, 451/433 is the way forward. How many times did we look up today with the ball and there is only 2 long ball options, now I think we played very , very well in the 1st half , in fact I can't remember the last time we created so many chances, the creative start to that half was Fahey. At this level he has played no more than 30 - 40 games in CM , he is still developing even at his age, he isn't great , but he is a very decent player at this level.

CH , who knows far more than all of us seems to realise his worth, and although I have my opinions on his formation, I will bow to his better knowledge of his players.

Support him, he is one of our more important players, confidence will make him a better player!!!!!!

11th Hour - I respect your opinion, but there is not one syllable in what you've said that I agree with.

I think we're watching the Blues from different planets mate!
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Midfield Line

1st choice:
Burke--------Gomis-------Mutch---------Beausejour

2nd Choice :

---Burke--------Elliot------Mutch -------BeauseJour

3rd Chice

Burke----------N'Daw----Fahey-----------Elliot


Fahey is awful roll on when mutch and gomis is fit
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What about trying Carr as a holding midfielder ?

His vision and passing is good, fitness levels brilliant. Try Spector at RB
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willvbcfc
Nov 19 2011, 10:28 PM
11thhour
Nov 19 2011, 09:17 PM
:ph43r:  :ph43r:

For me Fahey is the best midfielder at the club, he played a deeper role today , he kept the ball and kept us moving, he has been the best player in the team over the last 5 games.

Gomis is a Div 2 player
Spector is a real trier but is limited.
NDaw, I would play next to Fahey until Mutch is fit

For me it is the formation that is wrong, it is admirable that we are trying to attack , but playing 2 wingers basically means our CM's are always out numbered , then they can't bomb on because we would be left exposed, 451/433 is the way forward. How many times did we look up today with the ball and there is only 2 long ball options, now I think we played very , very well in the 1st half , in fact I can't remember the last time we created so many chances, the creative start to that half was Fahey. At this level he has played no more than 30 - 40 games in CM , he is still developing even at his age, he isn't great , but he is a very decent player at this level.

CH , who knows far more than all of us seems to realise his worth, and although I have my opinions on his formation, I will bow to his better knowledge of his players.

Support him, he is one of our more important players, confidence will make him a better player!!!!!!

11th Hour - I respect your opinion, but there is not one syllable in what you've said that I agree with.

I think we're watching the Blues from different planets mate!

Im struggling to make my mind up on Fahey. But thats 2 managers now who like to pick him more often than not. So im of the opinion that they must see something in him that we dont.
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11thhour
Nov 19 2011, 10:17 PM
:ph43r: :ph43r:

For me Fahey is the best midfielder at the club, he played a deeper role today , he kept the ball and kept us moving, he has been the best player in the team over the last 5 games.

Gomis is a Div 2 player
Spector is a real trier but is limited.
NDaw, I would play next to Fahey until Mutch is fit

For me it is the formation that is wrong, it is admirable that we are trying to attack , but playing 2 wingers basically means our CM's are always out numbered , then they can't bomb on because we would be left exposed, 451/433 is the way forward. How many times did we look up today with the ball and there is only 2 long ball options, now I think we played very , very well in the 1st half , in fact I can't remember the last time we created so many chances, the creative start to that half was Fahey. At this level he has played no more than 30 - 40 games in CM , he is still developing even at his age, he isn't great , but he is a very decent player at this level.

CH , who knows far more than all of us seems to realise his worth, and although I have my opinions on his formation, I will bow to his better knowledge of his players.

Support him, he is one of our more important players, confidence will make him a better player!!!!!!

Can we afford to carry a 'developing' player in such a crucial position on the pitch ? I don't believe we can.

Fahey has had long enough at the club to have made one of the midfield positions his own. Let's face it he just hasn't got it, he doesn't cut the mustard, he is out of his depth.

He can't tackle properly, his first thought is to pass backwards or sideways, he doesn't have an engine and I don't know why successive managers have given him the time of day. Let's face it if he were any good at all some club will have been in for him but --- not a whisper. He must have something but I for one am struggling to see it week in and week out.
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Fahey is so poor.

Our midfield is where we are losing EVERY game.

Simple.

Answer: More money...more players...

No that simple
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Not sticking the ball in the net was the reason we didn't win today just like at Reading in the last game although poor defending played a part, nothing to do with Fahey at all. Stop talking sh... :copno:
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Nov 19 2011, 10:14 PM
Not sticking the ball in the net was the reason we didn't win today just like at Reading in the last game although poor defending played a part, nothing to do with Fahey at all. Stop talking sh... :copno:

Obviously that was the reason, Sherlock, but there were also other parts of today's performance that I wasn't happy with and haven't been happy with over the last 5 games.

Is that okay with you?
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1, I think Keith is a poor player
2, Spector offers nothing
3, Having said all that, the game was not wasted in midfield today, it was wasted in the 6 yard box, after a dozen easy chances were not put in by our Poor,poor poor forward line...and wingers.
The only effect the midfield had on the result was Beausejour inability, followed by a needless foul.........................
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the pressure looks like its hitting fahey and his confidence is dipping. so why when this happens to a blues player are blues fans so on top of fahey, almost waiting for him to make a mistake. not far from me today was a guy who screamed at fahey for every bad touch or slightly off pass, and even when fahey did some good balls forward in the 1st half he would scream something at him that i would constitute as abuse. marlon king got similar levels of abuse, many of these rants also unjustified. i know people will say that when you go to a football match you can say what you want to the players and i understand this but we were near the front, and when fahey came over once you could see he could hear this guy ranting at him
how is he meant to regain his confidence when people pick up on his every tiniest mistake like vultures. fahey is the current scapegoat, and as bad as it sounds, some people would probably rather he never found form and left the club then he finds his form and plays a big role in the team. under CH we play good football, with stylish passing and fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance
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Nov 19 2011, 11:35 PM
the pressure looks like its hitting fahey and his confidence is dipping. so why when this happens to a blues player are blues fans so on top of fahey, almost waiting for him to make a mistake. not far from me today was a guy who screamed at fahey for every bad touch or slightly off pass, and even when fahey did some good balls forward in the 1st half he would scream something at him that i would constitute as abuse. marlon king got similar levels of abuse, many of these rants also unjustified. i know people will say that when you go to a football match you can say what you want to the players and i understand this but we were near the front, and when fahey came over once you could see he could hear this guy ranting at him
how is he meant to regain his confidence when people pick up on his every tiniest mistake like vultures. fahey is the current scapegoat, and as bad as it sounds, some people would probably rather he never found form and left the club then he finds his form and plays a big role in the team. under CH we play good football, with stylish passing and fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance

I see where you're coming from, but if that is the case, then I would suggest CH drops him for a while to help the player and maybe he'll return after a few matches and improve his displays? We'd all love to see him play better, believe me!

As for 'Fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance'. He's starting every single game at the moment, he's having his chance and unfortunately he's not impressing!
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willvbcfc
Nov 19 2011, 11:49 PM
blue 123
Nov 19 2011, 11:35 PM
the pressure looks like its hitting fahey and his confidence is dipping. so why when this happens to a blues player are blues fans so on top of fahey, almost waiting for him to make a mistake. not far from me today was a guy who screamed at fahey for every bad touch or slightly off pass, and even when fahey did some good balls forward in the 1st half he would scream something at him that i would constitute as abuse. marlon king got similar levels of abuse, many of these rants also unjustified. i know people will say that when you go to a football match you can say what you want to the players and i understand this but we were near the front, and when fahey came over once you could see he could hear this guy ranting at him
how is he meant to regain his confidence when people pick up on his every tiniest mistake like vultures. fahey is the current scapegoat, and as bad as it sounds, some people would probably rather he never found form and left the club then he finds his form and plays a big role in the team. under CH we play good football, with stylish passing and fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance

I see where you're coming from, but if that is the case, then I would suggest CH drops him for a while to help the player and maybe he'll return after a few matches and improve his displays? We'd all love to see him play better, believe me!

As for 'Fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance'. He's starting every single game at the moment, he's having his chance and unfortunately he's not impressing!

i get what your saying and i think it might be good to give him a few games off, but when i say give him a chance i mean fans stop making him a scapegoat, get off his back and let him play without the constant rants and let him get his confidence back
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Everyone is now coming to the same conclusion. Fahey made some good passes today but they were outweighed by some awful stuff. I didn't think Spector was too bad today but I am a fan of Wade Elliott. Given a run I think he could be as good as Gardener was in the first half of last season (he was rubbish in the last dozen games though).
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