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Fahey + Spector = No Good; Elliott needed.
Topic Started: Nov 19 2011, 06:17 PM (1,502 Views)
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Geoff Horsfield
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Nov 19 2011, 11:35 PM
the pressure looks like its hitting fahey and his confidence is dipping. so why when this happens to a blues player are blues fans so on top of fahey, almost waiting for him to make a mistake. not far from me today was a guy who screamed at fahey for every bad touch or slightly off pass, and even when fahey did some good balls forward in the 1st half he would scream something at him that i would constitute as abuse. marlon king got similar levels of abuse, many of these rants also unjustified. i know people will say that when you go to a football match you can say what you want to the players and i understand this but we were near the front, and when fahey came over once you could see he could hear this guy ranting at him
how is he meant to regain his confidence when people pick up on his every tiniest mistake like vultures. fahey is the current scapegoat, and as bad as it sounds, some people would probably rather he never found form and left the club then he finds his form and plays a big role in the team. under CH we play good football, with stylish passing and fahey is the sort of player who COULD flourish in this type of game, should he be given a fair chance

Stop talking so much sense man!!!
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northside blue
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Fahey is a decent footballer & more than good enough for the championship who needs more creativity alongside him which we dont have at present. like others have said it seems some of our fans just dont like the guy & look for every minor mistake he makes.
You only have to read this forum to see the weekly lets slate Fahey thread & listen to the abuse in the crowd on matchday to realise that certain players however they perform for blues become scapegoats & Fahey is the latest.
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pezman
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He is not a scapegoat.
he is just no good.
simples
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Mikael Forssell
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Nov 21 2011, 02:52 PM
He is not a scapegoat.
he is just no good.
simples

Why are more and more people realising this now? I have never rated him that highly.
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Geoff Horsfield
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He is a scapegoat
He is good
He has no confidence
The moans aren't helping
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Des
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Godd points well made Willy, but Poppa please dont speak for everyone mate. I see much more good in Fahey than bad. He has played virtuall every minute of our unbeaten run and he doe3s a very fair `Fergie` style impression. He gave the ball away badly twice late on and that is what sticks in peoples minds. But if Chris Hughton and the venerable Mr Trappotoni have him as first choice then I will go with them.

KRO
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Nov 21 2011, 04:29 PM
Godd points well made Willy, but Poppa please dont speak for everyone mate. I see much more good in Fahey than bad. He has played virtuall every minute of our unbeaten run and he doe3s a very fair `Fergie` style impression. He gave the ball away badly twice late on and that is what sticks in peoples minds. But if Chris Hughton and the venerable Mr Trappotoni have him as first choice then I will go with them.

KRO

This is the point exactly, 1 bad pass and the 10 before hand are forgot!!!

Of course he is no Xavi, Hoddle or Barry Ferguson for that matter, if he was he would have stayed at vile or arsenal, not gone to ireland.

However...... Hughton, Mc.... Mcl.....Mcli..... no can't say it !!!! And Trappatoni see something in him.

I agree he is a championship midfielder not a prem one , but he is a good championship midfielder, better than what else we have ( Mutch will be better in the long run, IF he stays fit)! And we are a championship team! We could try and get Xavi, Gerrard or Parker.................. But I don't really think they will come!!!!!!!!

In all honesty you are stuck with Fahey like him or not, CH does and that will do for me!!!!!!
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Speaking of Mutch, any news on the fellah, i take it he is back in training?

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I think Fahey's problem is lack of self confidence rather than lack of ability. He just never seems to want the ball. Watching him closely on saturday I was shaking my head at the amount of times someone would pass him the ball short and he would just pass it straight back to them, I know sometimes you do this, but he was doing it almost every pass at one point. This isn't the actions of someone who is comfortable and confident on the ball, which unfortunately you just have to be if you are a midfielder.

I could see the frustration on Caldwell's face when he would pass it to Fahey as if to say "you're the central midfielder, go forward and get at the players or be the playmaker, only for him to pass it backwards straight to Caldwell again. Who's the defender and who's the midfielder here? Fahey just went for the safe, short return pass everytime like the ball was a ticking time bomb.
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Fahey has been dire pretty much all season. I was like Will in thinking he was going to flourish under CH in centre mid after years of McLeish putting him wide left, but I just think this is a level too high for his. He ghosts around the pitch making it look like he's putting a shift in, but he doesn't tackle, and when he gets the ball he hits it first time back to the defenders. Definitely suffering from a massive lack of confidence but the position is too important to be carrying people.

Peterborough worked out on Saturday that we had nothing through the middle so just put all their effort to stopping our attacks down the flanks and we had no plan b. We are crying out for a decent central midfielder ... someone who can take the ball forward, score a goal, take freekicks, corners etc and just give us another dimension for attack. In an ideal world someone like Lewis McGugan I've always thought would be perfect, but obviously he'd cost more than £8.50 so we can't afford him.

In the meantime I definitely think Elliot is the way forward, with Mutch coming in to play alongside him when fit. Both comfortable on the ball, both but a foot in, both great passers.
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Fahey is okay albeit he knows his limitations.

I think Blues fans are just too used over the last decade or so to having combative midfielders who stick the boot in.

Fahey is more nimble, has played almost every minute of every game for the past two months which suggests he has good energy levels. He'll do a job for Chris Hughton so he'll do for me.

He is a vital cog in this transitional side.

We need to cut him some slack. Just because he doesnt clatter into people like Robbie Savage or Fabrice Muamba we shouldnt just assume he is rubbish. Just because he doesn't bomb into the box like Martin O'Connor or Bryan Hughes we shouldn't assume he has no goals or assists in him. These will come.

I actually think he had a poor game overall Saturday but in the first half he wasn't too bad.

He keeps things ticking over with mostly neat interchanges of simple short passing. This then hopefully allows the other players to create space.

We are no longer the rushing madly about side that we got used to under Bruce and Eck.

For sure Fahey and you also have to say Murphy would'nt cut it in the Prem.

But here and now he is okay. If you slag him off its like slagging Dean Peer off 20 years ago. Leave it out!
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Des
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Juke box

so well thought out and so well reasoned!

You must be new on here?


No references to body language that only you have decipherd, no reference to player being a bit leggy that only you can spot and worse of all no reference to said player being a fave of manager or better still his luv child!!
Never mind you will pick it up!

KRO

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Would just like to say I thought Fahey and Spector did very well against Burnley. I'm still not convinced that against the bigger teams they'll have the quality to boss the game, but on Tuesday, they did their jobs well.

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Nov 19 2011, 09:17 PM
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For me Fahey is the best midfielder at the club, he played a deeper role today , he kept the ball and kept us moving, he has been the best player in the team over the last 5 games.

Gomis is a Div 2 player
Spector is a real trier but is limited.
NDaw, I would play next to Fahey until Mutch is fit

For me it is the formation that is wrong, it is admirable that we are trying to attack , but playing 2 wingers basically means our CM's are always out numbered , then they can't bomb on because we would be left exposed, 451/433 is the way forward. How many times did we look up today with the ball and there is only 2 long ball options, now I think we played very , very well in the 1st half , in fact I can't remember the last time we created so many chances, the creative start to that half was Fahey. At this level he has played no more than 30 - 40 games in CM , he is still developing even at his age, he isn't great , but he is a very decent player at this level.

CH , who knows far more than all of us seems to realise his worth, and although I have my opinions on his formation, I will bow to his better knowledge of his players.

Support him, he is one of our more important players, confidence will make him a better player!!!!!!

Spot on... Fahey does the job he is picked to do thats why AM CH both play him and he is recognised at international level...

He broke up the play, tracked his man and kept us ticking over...

CH is the manager and if u trust him then you trust his judgement so get off the backs of Fahey and Spector
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While i agree that, at the moment, Fahey and Spector are probably the best central partnership we could hope for...purely because of their experience and knowledge of the British game....I still don't think that they are strong enough to dominate other central midfield partnerships and there's the problem!

Neither of them is the type of player who will put themselves into a crunching 50/50 challenge and if you don't have a physical prescence in their you will eventually get over run by the oppositions midfield and if you lose that battle you will be on the back foot for very long periods. Both players when confronted with the possibility of a physical challenge tend to play what I would call 'panic' passes.....normally into the corners to gain territory rather than to keep a move going.

It's also noticeable that Chris Burke doesn't like the physical side of things either.....when you've got 3 out of your 4 midfielders not keen on putting a full bloodied challenge you've got a problem and it doesn't take long for an oppositions midfield to see it. unfortunately both Spector and Fahey are the same type of midfielder and neither of them could be classed as either a ball winner or a creative midfielder....they're basically workers.

There is a silver lining though with Mutch about to come back as I think a combination of him and Ndaw could be the answer. I would also be prepared to give Darren Carter a short term contract, after all he was good enough to play in a play off final, if he proves himself give him a proper contract next season. The real silver lining for the future is that with the signing of Gnahore on professional terms we could, possibly by next season have a midfield 4 with an average age of 21 or 22 and the two central midfielders at 6 foot plus having a real physical prescence too!
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I'd like to see N'Daw given a try away on saturday in a midfield 3 of Elliott, N'Daw and if fit Gomis. We need to make sure that Ferguson doesnt get room to dictate the game. It will be a tough game and i think N'Daw could give us some steel in there with Gomis and Elliott given licence to get forward when they can. I was very impressed with N'Daw away in Brugge. He doesn't seem comfortable at home for some reason but i think he could do us a job on saturday at Blackpool to nulify Ferguson.
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Fahey will never get as much credit from some as he deserves, solely because he was introduced to this team left wing and didnt perform so well there, under the Ginger one.

He reminds me of Damien Johnson, albeit in a different way.

Jonty knew his role, knew his limitations, and played within that...sitting deep and rarely venturing too far forward.

Fahey knows his role in this team, and thats to keep the ball moving, albeit with simple, sharp passing if need be, and eventually get it out wide for Burke/Beausejour/Carr/Murphy to wreak havoc...he's disciplined enough to hold in the middle if Spector goes off on a forward burst, and both he and Spector sit if Beausejour/Burke run forward into/around the box.

Yeah we'd all love a player who could skin 3 or 4 in the middle of the pitch and smash one in from 20 yards every game, but thats just not realistic... in the situation we're in even more so.

Fahey's established himself here, and in the Ireland international setup, being favoured by Trapattoni, who's no mug, so he cant be as bad as all those say.

I would also agree with the confidence issues... I bet the instant groan whenever he does something wrong doesnt help things. He could keep the ball, knock it about, maybe backwards, and instantly he's groaned at for a bit of patient build up play... same if he tries something different going forward... is there any wonder he wont try it again if as soon as he does it, he gets slated for it.
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Spector and Fahey have some attributes but neither can pass the ball forwards!
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Nov 19 2011, 10:24 PM
1, I think Keith is a poor player
2, Spector offers nothing
3, Having said all that, the game was not wasted in midfield today, it was wasted in the 6 yard box, after a dozen easy chances were not put in by our Poor,poor poor forward line...and wingers.
The only effect the midfield had on the result was Beausejour inability, followed by a needless foul.........................
:angry:

What's this Bull5h1t I wrote?
Keith and Spec's had a great game on Tuesday, Fahey should have been MOTM.
Just Watched it again on 'BluesTV' still they look very good..... :applause:
Someone send me some humble pie.....
Hope they can dominate the Blackpool midfield on Saturday, who have Blackpool got there anyway?
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We can't afford a player like Fahey who is ok.

He is ok at times and poor most of the time.

When you play in the middle you need to be very good...he is not.
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It's great how Fahey can split opinions on this site. One camp see him as being picked by his manager(s) and international manager as a sign that he is doing a good job in the middle, and you can't argue with that. CH is doing a grand job. Then there is the camp who watch him and see him as ineffectual and a 'weak link' and can't understand why he keeps getting picked over other players. Both can't be right. :unsure:
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Spent a few hours with McLeish and son yesterday at tennis in London.

Eck spoke highly of Fahey and son Jon, who's management company Fahey is signed to, spoke even more highly of him.

Trouble is, it seems, Keith is a bit of an introvert and lacks confidence to express himself in a manner befitting his talent .Both said he has a lot of ability that we only occasionally see.

He won't rock the boat and follows orders to the letter.


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Nov 25 2011, 03:36 PM
Spent a few hours with McLeish and son yesterday at tennis in London.

Eck spoke highly of Fahey and son Jon, who's management company Fahey is signed to, spoke even more highly of him.

Trouble is, it seems, Keith is a bit of an introvert and lacks confidence to express himself in a manner befitting his talent .Both said he has a lot of ability that we only occasionally see.

He won't rock the boat and follows orders to the letter.

Did son Jon confirm he is Blue Both Nostrils?

Also no wonder McLeish landed us with Fahey if his son's management company owns him.

Did McLeish send you to sleep or was the tennis match an exciting one? I take it you were at the O2. F*** me, go to the 02 to watch some world class tennis and get lumbered with McBore.......... ..zz.. ..zz.. ..zz.. ..zz..
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Nov 25 2011, 03:52 PM
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Nov 25 2011, 03:36 PM
Spent a few hours with McLeish and son yesterday at tennis in London.

Eck spoke highly of Fahey and son Jon, who's management company Fahey is signed to, spoke even more highly of him.

Trouble is, it seems, Keith is a bit of an introvert and lacks confidence to express himself in a manner befitting his talent .Both said he has a lot of ability that we only occasionally see.

He won't rock the boat and follows orders to the letter.

Did son Jon confirm he is Blue Both Nostrils?

Also no wonder McLeish landed us with Fahey if his son's management company owns him.

Did McLeish send you to sleep or was the tennis match an exciting one? I take it you were at the O2. F*** me, go to the 02 to watch some world class tennis and get lumbered with McBore.......... ..zz.. ..zz.. ..zz.. ..zz..

Jon was at pains to point out that Blues taking Fahey and him working for that particular management company happened at different times - ie he didnt work there then. Fair enough.

Eck saw the funny side of the postcards from Bruges btw....and naturally I wound him up about crossing to the dark side. Decent fella away from all that.
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Thing is when we play somebody decent ie.Leeds,Lecister Fahey and spector disapear straight away like playing with 9 players
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