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Zigic; a little rant
Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 10:46 PM (1,213 Views)
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Geoff Horsfield
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Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are [abuse removed]

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:
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"Idiots", why because they dont agree with you. People see things differently, get over it.


This idiot (rightly or wrongly) believes he should show more interest, talent aside.
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

:LMAO: this is a wind-up surely.
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.
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Nov 21 2011, 04:40 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.

No, he is quite right Curly.

6 goals in 33 appearances for Blues is some feat. You should show some respect to the big man and get behind him. ;)
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Nov 21 2011, 04:57 PM
curlyminogue
Nov 21 2011, 04:40 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.

No, he is quite right Curly.

6 goals in 33 appearances for Blues is some feat. You should show some respect to the big man and get behind him. ;)

Absolutely V- one of those goals was almost outside the six yard box as well. And the goal he scored against Man City he didn't even get a touch which is the mark of top class striker, surely? Lesser players have to make contact with the ball to be credited with a goal but not the big lad. I think he deserves a raise.
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Nov 21 2011, 04:40 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.

Clearly not! **thumbup
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Des
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Look I`m not trying to get on his back (couldnt climb that high!!) BUT his legendery goal against the Villa could have went down as an OG. He skanked it onto Dunns shin and it spun up over Friedal.

However his performance at wembley (HELPED)win us the cup so I will always have a soft spot for him!

KRO
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Nov 21 2011, 04:57 PM

No, he is quite right Curly.

6 goals in 33 appearances for Blues is some feat. You should show some respect to the big man and get behind him. ;)

Or 6 goals in 15 league starts. Not forgetting his 3 goals in the league cup.
Coming to a new league, adjusting, he had hit form before his injury.

You'd think people will have learnt from writing him off last season but no, the same numpties are doing the exact same this season.
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V_For_Vendetta
Nov 21 2011, 04:57 PM
curlyminogue
Nov 21 2011, 04:40 PM
BLUE KID
Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.

No, he is quite right Curly.

6 goals in 33 appearances for Blues is some feat. You should show some respect to the big man and get behind him. ;)

9 goals from 22 starts and 24 sub appearances.

http://www.bcfc.com/page/ProfilesDetail/0,...2~27986,00.html

I'm not going to bother with defending him yet again, because little good it will do in changing anyones opinion, but i do want to make certain we at least get the numbers correct. **thumbup
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Nov 21 2011, 04:57 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 04:40 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 03:24 PM
morrisonisclass
Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Because quite simply some people are idiots!

At the end of the day he is now in the boo boy club along with the likes of Fahey and Ridgewell and whatever he does wont be good enough while other's cant do no wrong ( beausejour etc )

His on high wages which for some reason means he has to be criticised more than others.

There isnt anyone else in our team who has the stature in football that he does, what other player in our squad has an international record that he does?? His transfers are proberbly worth more than the rest of our squad put together, we are bloody lucky to still have him because he is too good to be playing in the championship, get him back playing Regularly, get him in top shape and form and the goals will come! He's proved that he can score goals and he will given the chance now try supporting the bloke!! :banghead:

If it's alright with you I'll pass on your wonderful advice since I clearly don't have your footballing brain. Sorry, but I try my best.

No, he is quite right Curly.

6 goals in 33 appearances for Blues is some feat. You should show some respect to the big man and get behind him. ;)

47 in 79 for Red star
24 in 51 for Racing
20 in 57 for Serbia

Point proven!
I know you find it difficult to actually support the team you claim to be a fan of but at least try! **thumbup
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blueblood
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And it's all gone quiet over there :whistle:
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Nov 21 2011, 06:07 PM
You'd think people will have learnt from writing him off last season but no, the same numpties are doing the exact same this season.

Agree 100%, it's ridiculous
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IMO Zigic is a quality player. He is a target man. He can take a ball on his head, chest and is surprisingly good with his feet. He is the only forward we have who can hold the ball up. Zigic is taking up good positions but none of our other strikers are supporting him. Because of his height he always takes two defenders with him. This should create space for others.

The problem at the moment is that those around him are not playing off him. Our midfield are defensive midfielders and are sitting too deep to support him. Marlon King works hard in bursts but frequently goes walkabout and is not close enough for the knockdowns. That means that Zigic has to knock his headers out to the wings.

Everyone seems to think that he should have scored against Peterborough. I would give him the benefit of the doubt and I was at that end. I think the cross was actually a shot and was travelling fast, there was a defender between Zigic and the ball/goal and I suspect he saw it late.

He does look ungainly but for me he looks much more likely to score than our other strikers. Wood will come back and score again but is off-form at the moment. Marlon King is trying to score on his own and currently is not succeeding. He needs to feed off and support the target man and we need an attacking midfielder to share the burden. Rooney is a raw talent but is more often a headless chicken and at the moment he is not scoring.

I would also like to see N'Daw given a full league start. We lack muscularity in midfield and though he is another defensive midfielder he does get forward more than the others.

Sorry for the rant but finally I would like to see the crowd replicating the atmosphere generated at the Europa games. I suspect the tension on the terraces is beginning to get to the players. KRO!
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Zigic this week huh? Let the same poster carry on with the same points that they made about Ridgewell last week, and Fahey the week before that, and Myhill the week before that.
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Zigic this week huh? Let the same poster carry on with the same points that they made about Ridgewell last week, and Fahey the week before that, and Myhill the week before that.

:applause: Yep it's Ziggy's and Fahey's turn to be the bad guys cus CJ has left and Ridgewell is injured!!
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Nov 21 2011, 02:32 PM
Why do you think he was always on loan while playing in Spain....work it out folks.

He kept going out on loan because Valencia liked to play one up front with one behind. They had David Villa and David Silva. They're both better than Zigic. They're also both better than the vast majority of footballers in the world.

There you go, wasn't particularly difficult to work out.

The bloke has been out injured for half a year, he's coming back into a new division which he has no experience of, nearly everyone in the squad is different to last season, the manager is different to last season and the style of play is (thank the lord above) different to last season.

I thought this season was going to be a bit different from the terraces too. Given the upheaval of the summer and the question marks surrounding the owners, I thought there might be a modicum of patience and support from the fans to the players, an acceptance that we won't steam roll every side in the league and score seven a game. But no, same old same old whinging.

Is there anyone in the squad that hasn't been given a pasting yet?
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Several posts have had to be edited or removed because of abusive name calling. Let me, respectfully, remind posters of the forum rule:

1) Treat your fellow posters with the respect that you yourself would hope to be treated. That means no derogatory posts aimed at other users.

By all means, discuss and argue differences of opinion, but please do so without recourse to petty name-calling.

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Nov 21 2011, 02:32 PM
Why do you think he was always on loan while playing in Spain....work it out folks.

He kept going out on loan because Valencia liked to play one up front with one behind. They had David Villa and David Silva. They're both better than Zigic. They're also both better than the vast majority of footballers in the world.

There you go, wasn't particularly difficult to work out.

The bloke has been out injured for half a year, he's coming back into a new division which he has no experience of, nearly everyone in the squad is different to last season, the manager is different to last season and the style of play is (thank the lord above) different to last season.

I thought this season was going to be a bit different from the terraces too. Given the upheaval of the summer and the question marks surrounding the owners, I thought there might be a modicum of patience and support from the fans to the players, an acceptance that we won't steam roll every side in the league and score seven a game. But no, same old same old whinging.

Is there anyone in the squad that hasn't been given a pasting yet?

Actually a large majority of the players haven't had a pasting as you put it. And the reason? For the most part they've performed pretty well for most of the season and the fans are mostly approving of such players. If guys don't deliver they get it- that's the way it goes on football forums the length and breadth of the country. If Zigic wants to shut his critics up he must perform otherwise all he'll get are his meagre wages. Seems emminently fair to me.
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A large majority? Murphy, Mutch and Redmond haven't from what I can remember, but the rest have been declared as either disinterested or not good enough at times this season. Some have been singled out for particularly vicious treatment of course, but there has certainly been the usual Blues trend of finding it easier to have a dig at the players than support them.
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Nov 21 2011, 07:36 PM
A large majority? Murphy, Mutch and Redmond haven't from what I can remember, but the rest have been declared as either disinterested or not good enough at times this season. Some have been singled out for particularly vicious treatment of course, but there has certainly been the usual Blues trend of finding it easier to have a dig at the players than support them.

All of the players get it from time to time, franscar, it's the nature of the football beast, surely? There's clearly a link between performance and the sort of feedback players receive- if Zigic scores the sort of goal recently shown on a link everyone (including me) will shut up. If he continues amble amiably and aimlessly around looking as if he doesn't want to get his pants dirty he'll get more of the same- it's up to him.
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Nov 21 2011, 07:45 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 07:36 PM
A large majority? Murphy, Mutch and Redmond haven't from what I can remember, but the rest have been declared as either disinterested or not good enough at times this season. Some have been singled out for particularly vicious treatment of course, but there has certainly been the usual Blues trend of finding it easier to have a dig at the players than support them.

All of the players get it from time to time, franscar, it's the nature of the football beast, surely? There's clearly a link between performance and the sort of feedback players receive- if Zigic scores the sort of goal recently shown on a link everyone (including me) will shut up. If he continues amble amiably and aimlessly around looking as if he doesn't want to get his pants dirty he'll get more of the same- it's up to him.

And if he plays a nice one two with Burke to set up the first goal, or lays one on a plate for Marlon King to miss, what then ?
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Thought he played well today. I know for a fact my eyes will be forever biased due to what he did in the CC against Villa, West Ham and Arsenal, and imo £6m is a bargain for winning us a trophy and giving me my greatest day as a fan of BCFC, but i accept that everyone has differing opinions and i know to some he represents one of the remaining embodiments of the Mcleish era, like Ridgewell.

His style of play does seem ungainly at times, and he can look lost and out of place, but it can be hugely effective. If any striker isn't scoring people will criticise; people are getting on Chrissy Wood's back already! I will always maintain that give him a run and he will improve and be a key player for us in the near future, although it is sods law that by the time we get him back to his best he will be shipped out.



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I thought he had one of his best games in a Blue shirt for a while, won plenty of balls, passed well, held it well. Half way through the 2nd half he was starting to get angry with his team mates lack of passion and the Garrison gave him a round of applause for this. Didn't see anyone else on the pitch that played better than him. Maybe he should have gone for goal instead of passing to King and his header was unlucky.
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And was the only team-mate trying to get King's attention after missing that sitter, gesturing that he should lift his head and go again.

I think last night's performance from Zigic was an improvement on Saturday's, as he looked more up for the game in general, putting tackles in and winning more headers, but I still think he's lacking full belief in himself after his long lay off. One of the tell-tale signs of this attitude is how often he's running to the ref asking for fouls when it seems he's simply messed up something when under the close attentions of a defender or two. If he can roll his sleeves up a bit more in these situations he'll win back a few more fans.

I'd also say that King doesn't seem to be a good partner for Zigic on the basis of a game and a bit, but I stand to be corrected.
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