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Wayne Rooney
Topic Started: Jun 20 2012, 10:00 AM (768 Views)
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MikaelForssell
Jun 21 2012, 02:19 AM
DarrenBCFC
Jun 20 2012, 07:52 PM
Wayne Rooney is way over rated he is not world class otherwise he would of headered the other one in too

Because world class players score every single chance and never make a mistake? Hmmm :rolleyes:

well they should hit the target about 8/10 times
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I'm no fan of Rooney or his attitude, but l will get behind him and the only other team l support, can't support the name calling/sniping of Rooney...
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MikaelForssell
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DarrenBCFC
Jun 20 2012, 07:52 PM
Wayne Rooney is way over rated he is not world class otherwise he would of headered the other one in too

Because world class players score every single chance and never make a mistake? Hmmm :rolleyes:

well they should hit the target about 8/10 times

What ARE they putting in the water that teenagers drink nowadays?

Even the greatest players in history miss chances, have less than a 70% shots on target ratio, and are a little rusty after five weeks not playing.

Football (sponsored by Sky TV) has turned everyone watching it into a nation of over expecting bafoons.
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who gives a f>>k what he looks like or how many prozzies he has had i just wish people would get off his back ffs,and who actually gives a f<>k about the national anthem,i bet over half on here if honest dont even know all the words as i dont and probly never will
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:LOL:

I like the way Darren talks utter BS but he says everything with such conviction
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I dont blame him for not knowing the words, why would he want to know the words to song onabout the bloody queen!!
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Jun 22 2012, 02:44 PM
I dont blame him for not knowing the words, why would he want to know the words to song onabout the bloody queen!!

Because he's on telly singing it about 10 times a year.

Not like it's the hardest song to remember either.
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Absolutely useless again. Just a joke of a player for England.
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He barely had the ball, what on earth was he supposed to do? Tackle Pirlo, beat five defenders and stick it in himself? England lost the game in the midfield where Pirlo and De Rossi were magnificent.
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What was he to do? He was to do something to benefit the team!! He's proclaimed to be something special!!! Nothing again fronm him! In fact he looked useless AGAIN!
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Jun 24 2012, 11:14 PM
He barely had the ball, what on earth was he supposed to do? Tackle Pirlo, beat five defenders and stick it in himself? England lost the game in the midfield where Pirlo and De Rossi were magnificent.

True franscar. But under Roy's zonal responsibilities, Wayne often played as a fifth midfielder - and still we were overrun by two Italians :LMAO:

Rooney is capable of innovation and making 'luck' work, but he is out of form, unfit, knackerated at half time against Ukraine and Italy - the manager either didn't see that or evaded the responsibility and a possible backlash from the media - thus, he left him on, weakening any half-chance we created.
On the basis of a 'tap-in' as Gerrard said.

Hindsight is great, I'd have taken Rooney anyway, but after Ukraine and tonight, I'd have subbed him for the kitman at half time.



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I thought Rooney played really well the first half, he was our best player, followed up by Glen Johnson. He marked Pirlo well with Welbeck, held the ball up well, brought everybody into play and got into some good positions. Then second half onwards he did the exact opposite, no dropping back pressuring Pirlo, brought nobody into play and we never even got the ball forward for him to get into good positions.

What's important is that we shouldn't be relying on him and not be scared to sub him off.
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Jun 24 2012, 11:42 PM
I thought Rooney played really well the first half, he was our best player, followed up by Glen Johnson. He marked Pirlo well with Welbeck, held the ball up well, brought everybody into play and got into some good positions. Then second half onwards he did the exact opposite, no dropping back pressuring Pirlo, brought nobody into play and we never even got the ball forward for him to get into good positions.

What's important is that we shouldn't be relying on him and not be scared to sub him off.

If you look at the in-match stats, it shows that Rooney and Cashley Cole each gave the ball away the most for England. Which is unusual for Cole.

Rooney never found space from his markers except twice on set pieces, so why our set pieces regarded him as the new Crouch I can't figure.

To be fair to him, he had more work to do in deeper positions than he is used to at Man Utd, he was never match fit and what was required of him left Welbeck to isolated and man marked.

Tactically wrong and the manager didn't bite the bullet.

Perhaps to sub Wayne before 87 minutes creates problems somewhere?????



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Jun 24 2012, 10:39 PM
What was he to do? He was to do something to benefit the team!! He's proclaimed to be something special!!! Nothing again fronm him! In fact he looked useless AGAIN!

I'll ask again. What do you want him to do when the rest of his team mates were unable to get the ball? Without the ball he isn't able to do anything, and every time he did get the ball he was surrounded by a mob of Italian defenders ready to either force him backwards or take it off him. We had 37% of the ball, and the majority of that possession was within our own half of the pitch. Under those circumstances very few players will be able to influence a game. As it was, Rooney was the second most successful passer of the ball in the England team behind Ashley Cole.

Italy played a flexible midfield with De Rossi and Pirlo being joined by Montolivo and Marchisio, and occasionally Cassano as well, flooding that area of the pitch and making it largely impossible for Gerrard and Parker to get a foothold in the game. Without the English midfield being able to get any possession, Rooney, Welbeck, Carroll - doesn't matter who was up there, they were isolated and forced to feed on scraps. England were outplayed by a superior team, all over the pitch. I'll ask again, given the circumstances of the match just played, what was Rooney supposed to do?

He's proclaimed to be something special because well, he is. Multiple time league winner, European champion, eighth highest goalscorer in England history at the age of 26.
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he still had a very poor game though and couldnt pass the ball accurately 5 yards.he is totaly unfit and has no pace left which for a kid his age is awful.
we just aint good enough. we played after about 30 minutes for a draw and penalties.
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Jun 25 2012, 06:21 AM
he still had a very poor game though and couldnt pass the ball accurately 5 yards.he is totaly unfit and has no pace left which for a kid his age is awful.
we just aint good enough.

Agree **thumbup We did have a decent spell in the first half when we had the ball. Then we just gave it away. Kin 'ell its a simple passing game I thought.

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Jun 25 2012, 06:21 AM
he still had a very poor game though and couldnt pass the ball accurately 5 yards.he is totaly unfit and has no pace left which for a kid his age is awful.
we just aint good enough. we played after about 30 minutes for a draw and penalties.

He wasn't great, but he wasn't given the ball enough to be great. So unless he goes and gets it himself (and is then out of position for the subsequent England attack) he has to rely on having team mates that can get the ball to him in dangerous areas. Note the difference in contribution between Rooney and Balotelli. That was entirely down to the fact that Italy's control of the game allowed Balotelli to focus on playing right along the defensive line and give his midfield a target to hit.

Rooney can't run the lines or look for space if England never have the ball.
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Well there's a surprise - yet another tournament and Rooney doesn't perform. He just cannot cut it on the world (or euro) stage.

Come the big occasion a world class player comes to the party. Cristiano Ronald being an example. But Rooney? world class? you're having a laugh.

He's a serial failure at these tournaments. He's happy in the cotton wool of his club and their nobhead supporters but when the nation is looking on, he's just not that good.


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Jun 25 2012, 09:30 AM
maulley54
Jun 25 2012, 06:21 AM
he still had a very poor game though and couldnt pass the ball accurately 5 yards.he is totaly unfit and has no pace left which for a kid his age is awful.
we just aint good enough. we played after about 30 minutes for a draw and penalties.

He wasn't great, but he wasn't given the ball enough to be great. So unless he goes and gets it himself (and is then out of position for the subsequent England attack) he has to rely on having team mates that can get the ball to him in dangerous areas. Note the difference in contribution between Rooney and Balotelli. That was entirely down to the fact that Italy's control of the game allowed Balotelli to focus on playing right along the defensive line and give his midfield a target to hit.

Rooney can't run the lines or look for space if England never have the ball.

however england played though does not alter the fact that when he did have the ball he couldnt find a team mate 5 yards away. and in the game earlier in the week he was put clean through with at least a 5 yard start but the defender still came across and blocked him. he has no pace and his passing has been rubbish especially last night. there is no doubt he is a gifted player but at the moment he is either unfit or badly off form. but he was not alone cole was also dreadful.
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How England played is the key factor though, and explains everything that did or didn't happen on the pitch. Rooney struggled to find team mates because 1, they were very frequently nowhere near him, and 2, he was being surrounded by three or four defenders and being pushed into areas of the field he is not comfortable with.

How often did he receive the ball on the half turn, with five yards of space to drive into and commit a defender and players in support? Once, twice maybe? How often does it happen in a Untied game? A dozen, usually more. It's the Cameron Jerome situation on the big stage. Create a lot of chances for a player and they will invariably make a contribution. Create very few, and don't be surprised when they don't score every single time they get the ball.

The 'English way' always seems to be to look for scapegoats and attack individual contributions, when the simple fact is that as a team they were not good enough to cope with a fluid and intelligent Italian team, and as a result had to sit back and defend in depth, looking for penalties. Chelsea did it against Bayern Munich and it worked, England did it and it didn't. Them's the breaks.

If England are at all serious about progressing as an international side then the work needs to start now on preparing the younger sides, getting them used to playing a certain system, drilling the players on technical skills and making them comfortable on the ball. It is a process that the Germans have spent ten years on, identifying a group of players at the ages of 12-13 who had potential and nurturing them up to their current level. That can't be done in time for the next World Cup or even the next Euros. It needs a long term investment of time and resources into the under 17s, under 19s and under 21 teams, and it needs a sea change in attitude throughout the country.

Take Spain for an example. Juan Mata is a World Cup winner with the senior side. The following summer he joins up with the under 21s and helps win them the European Championships at that level. Jack Wilshere, who has never won a thing, is told by the press, by his manager and by the majority of the country, not to play for the under 21s, that it is 'beneath' him. Walcott had the same thing when he came through, same with Rooney, and I will wager Oxlade-Chamberlain will be told the same thing come the new season. Until we stop seeing the under age sides in such pejorative terms, we won't achieve much more than we already do.
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Wayne Rooney should change his name to Wayne Kerr.
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Jun 25 2012, 10:52 AM
How England played is the key factor though, and explains everything that did or didn't happen on the pitch. Rooney struggled to find team mates because 1, they were very frequently nowhere near him, and 2, he was being surrounded by three or four defenders and being pushed into areas of the field he is not comfortable with.

How often did he receive the ball on the half turn, with five yards of space to drive into and commit a defender and players in support? Once, twice maybe? How often does it happen in a Untied game? A dozen, usually more. It's the Cameron Jerome situation on the big stage. Create a lot of chances for a player and they will invariably make a contribution. Create very few, and don't be surprised when they don't score every single time they get the ball.

The 'English way' always seems to be to look for scapegoats and attack individual contributions, when the simple fact is that as a team they were not good enough to cope with a fluid and intelligent Italian team, and as a result had to sit back and defend in depth, looking for penalties. Chelsea did it against Bayern Munich and it worked, England did it and it didn't. Them's the breaks.

If England are at all serious about progressing as an international side then the work needs to start now on preparing the younger sides, getting them used to playing a certain system, drilling the players on technical skills and making them comfortable on the ball. It is a process that the Germans have spent ten years on, identifying a group of players at the ages of 12-13 who had potential and nurturing them up to their current level. That can't be done in time for the next World Cup or even the next Euros. It needs a long term investment of time and resources into the under 17s, under 19s and under 21 teams, and it needs a sea change in attitude throughout the country.

Take Spain for an example. Juan Mata is a World Cup winner with the senior side. The following summer he joins up with the under 21s and helps win them the European Championships at that level. Jack Wilshere, who has never won a thing, is told by the press, by his manager and by the majority of the country, not to play for the under 21s, that it is 'beneath' him. Walcott had the same thing when he came through, same with Rooney, and I will wager Oxlade-Chamberlain will be told the same thing come the new season. Until we stop seeing the under age sides in such pejorative terms, we won't achieve much more than we already do.

Print this off, and nail it to the head of every Englishman who says we shouldn't look to other countries on how to play football.

This is why we don't win tournaments.

This. Right here.
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Jun 25 2012, 10:32 AM
Well there's a surprise - yet another tournament and Rooney doesn't perform. He just cannot cut it on the world (or euro) stage.

Come the big occasion a world class player comes to the party. Cristiano Ronald being an example. But Rooney? world class? you're having a laugh.

He's a serial failure at these tournaments. He's happy in the cotton wool of his club and their nobhead supporters but when the nation is looking on, he's just not that good.

The same Cristiano Ronaldo who's flopped at all of his previous major tournaments, and has only impressed in this one over the past two games (and wasnt even that great in the Quarter Final vs Czech Republic really) ?



As for the other posts about him last night... he wasnt that bad at all, fans just expect miracles out of him.

Large portions of the game was played with Italy on the ball... when we could break, he had to come deep to pick up the ball, and needed the pace/movement out wide and ahead of him to enable him to pick a pass.

We were too set in our defensive ways meaning Cole/Johnson stopped bombing on as much, Gerrard and Parker sat in midfield rather than either trying to get forward..Milner hasnt got the pace to threaten and Young tried but had a stinker, meaning the only option was a predictable run forward/pass to Welbeck, which the experienced, rugged Italian defenders could cope with fine.

I counted a fair amount of times too where Rooney would keep the ball to enable bodies forward, knock it round a man, only to find himself surrounded by another 3 or 4 Italians who dispossessed him easily... If that was the other way round and Cassano found himself surrounded by 3 of our defenders, you'd always know Pirlo would be around the vicinity, free, and open for a pass.
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Wayne Rooney should change his name to Wayne Kerr.

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Jun 25 2012, 03:42 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 10:32 AM
Well there's a surprise - yet another tournament and Rooney doesn't perform. He just cannot cut it on the world (or euro) stage.

Come the big occasion a world class player comes to the party. Cristiano Ronald being an example. But Rooney? world class? you're having a laugh.

He's a serial failure at these tournaments. He's happy in the cotton wool of his club and their nobhead supporters but when the nation is looking on, he's just not that good.

The same Cristiano Ronaldo who's flopped at all of his previous major tournaments, and has only impressed in this one over the past two games (and wasnt even that great in the Quarter Final vs Czech Republic really) ?



As for the other posts about him last night... he wasnt that bad at all, fans just expect miracles out of him.

Large portions of the game was played with Italy on the ball... when we could break, he had to come deep to pick up the ball, and needed the pace/movement out wide and ahead of him to enable him to pick a pass.

We were too set in our defensive ways meaning Cole/Johnson stopped bombing on as much, Gerrard and Parker sat in midfield rather than either trying to get forward..Milner hasnt got the pace to threaten and Young tried but had a stinker, meaning the only option was a predictable run forward/pass to Welbeck, which the experienced, rugged Italian defenders could cope with fine.

I counted a fair amount of times too where Rooney would keep the ball to enable bodies forward, knock it round a man, only to find himself surrounded by another 3 or 4 Italians who dispossessed him easily... If that was the other way round and Cassano found himself surrounded by 3 of our defenders, you'd always know Pirlo would be around the vicinity, free, and open for a pass.

It could be down to undefinable things such as 'mentality', Rooney just doesn't fit in the national team as well as he does into manure. He doesn't have any international hunger left, he has his deal and he's only playing for the nation, a nation that most of the year hates him because he plays for manure.

Sometimes really unexpected choices work really well for the national team, Rooney is the 'obvious' choice that year after year just doesn't live up to the hype, what I call the 'beckham-syndrome'.

Time for Roy, or what poor soul happens to be England skipper, to make some brave choices and aim for success.

As far as C. Ronaldo, well he's in the semi-finals, Rooney isn't. I rest my case.
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