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Justice for the Liverpool 96; Merged
Topic Started: Sep 13 2012, 08:05 PM (692 Views)
thetoot
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This Blues/Des argument is epic! :D
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It's only epic for the fact that Des is coming third in a two horse race.
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I always said you lack perspective, you have two chances slim & none and guess what Slim just left town!!!

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Where did you 'always' say that, Des? Or is this a 'very probably' thing like the Botham quote you invented on another thread?
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Sep 17 2012, 08:12 PM
Im sorry but i aint buying it. I feel for those who were killed through no fault of their own and for their families. But this proaganda stuff is just doing my head in.

I do however think that the police and officals got it wrong in opening the gates, bad move in hinsight. They should have kept the thuggish fans who turned up outside. But if they didnt behave in this manner then they would not have forced the gates to have been opened and the rush would not have happened.

For me and im sorry if it sounds un caring but i do think fans thuggish behaviour contributed to this sad chapter in our game. Ive been going to football home and away for 40 years and have seen some bad things..its about time football fans take account of Their actions. In a way i belive that all fans who in some part with whtever club they are meant to support who have been involved in thuggish acts that scares the life out of decent human beings play there part in any sad story.

Why? Becaues it as a knock on effect and creates preceptions. How often are we all tarnished with the same brush because of our **** of the earth who follow blues?

Liverpool and everton is a nightmare derby but the media portrays it in a different light. Just like any derby game theress fans who can sit with each other and theres others who cant.

I dont buy it.

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brummie65

It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not.

There is no documentary evidence that thuggish or disruptive behavior on the part of the Liverpool fans had anything to do with the tragedy at Hillsborough. The Liverpool fans have been utterly vindicated on this, and your accusation that they are still partially to blame has no basis or proof.

You might as well say that the invisible unicorns with their magical pixie dust caused it, because that has just as much basis for being true, ie none whatsoever.
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Sep 19 2012, 09:43 PM

It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not.

There is no documentary evidence that thuggish or disruptive behavior on the part of the Liverpool fans had anything to do with the tragedy at Hillsborough.

The Liverpool fans have been utterly vindicated on this, and your accusation that they are still partially to blame has no basis or proof.

You might as well say that the invisible unicorns with their magical pixie dust caused it, because that has just as much basis for being true, ie none whatsoever.

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Well said mate.

I can't understand why people, who may have wanted to believe The Sun, still cling to tribal predujices.

The police stitch-up and abuse has been exposed big-time.

Nowhere in the world does a Prime Minister or President apologise publicly for the corrupt behaviour of the nation's guardians.

I have no time at all for Cameron, but on this, he has gained my respect. He didn't need to go so deeply into it, in fact if it was Blair we'd have been lucky to get a 10 second soundbite. But on this, Cameron has impressed me. **thumbup

23 years and some people just want Liverpool to "get on with it" - absolutely foul and cheap comments. A lot of these crooks who designed and supervised false witness have retired now, and have lived on fat pensions in Spain or Hartlepool, whilst the families that suffered and KNEW something was wrong have battled on for 23 years.

Supported by fair minded football fans the world over.

After the murder of PCs Bone and Hughes, great public support is rightfully behind the police, I only hope that the guilty who supervised and controlled the falsification after Hillsborough, don't slip under the radar because of public empathy.

I was impressed by Cameron, and I wonder how much 'background' information (i.e. things outside the report), he was advised about, that made him so resolute on this issue.

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check all my posts you obviously have very little else to do with your time, you havent found the Botham article either? Ask someone about google chrome!

My God you do walk into em!


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Sep 19 2012, 09:20 PM
thehod
Sep 19 2012, 09:43 PM

It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not.

There is no documentary evidence that thuggish or disruptive behavior on the part of the Liverpool fans had anything to do with the tragedy at Hillsborough.

The Liverpool fans have been utterly vindicated on this, and your accusation that they are still partially to blame has no basis or proof.

You might as well say that the invisible unicorns with their magical pixie dust caused it, because that has just as much basis for being true, ie none whatsoever.

:applause: :applause:

Well said mate.

I can't understand why people, who may have wanted to believe The Sun, still cling to tribal predujices.

The police stitch-up and abuse has been exposed big-time.

Nowhere in the world does a Prime Minister or President apologise publicly for the corrupt behaviour of the nation's guardians.

I have no time at all for Cameron, but on this, he has gained my respect. He didn't need to go so deeply into it, in fact if it was Blair we'd have been lucky to get a 10 second soundbite. But on this, Cameron has impressed me. **thumbup

23 years and some people just want Liverpool to "get on with it" - absolutely foul and cheap comments. A lot of these crooks who designed and supervised false witness have retired now, and have lived on fat pensions in Spain or Hartlepool, whilst the families that suffered and KNEW something was wrong have battled on for 23 years.

Supported by fair minded football fans the world over.

After the murder of PCs Bone and Hughes, great public support is rightfully behind the police, I only hope that the guilty who supervised and controlled the falsification after Hillsborough, don't slip under the radar because of public empathy.

I was impressed by Cameron, and I wonder how much 'background' information (i.e. things outside the report), he was advised about, that made him so resolute on this issue.

you only have to google 'Hillsborough CCTV pens footage' to see the recently released pictures that show up the massive mistakes that were made by the authorities that day.

They show the two central pens very very congested as is commonly viewed, but it also shows the side pens busy, but with lots of space... people were standing in feet of 'own space' in the very next pens. The reason for this was that the authorities did not manage the situation outside correctly. This is now common knowledge.

BE WARNED If you do google the above to look at the images there are some distressing pictures that I had totally forgot about from that day and I've not seen repeated (they were published in the sun the day after)... in that I mean close up pictures of the front of the central pens as everyone tried to escape, the people there certainly all died that day. They show up on the results page, turned my stomach last night when I looked for the CCTV images. BE WARNED
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Thanks for the suggestion Des but I've finished playing with you now, you've become last year's toy. Your responses have become weak and predictable as you try and convince yourself that you're still in the game .

I'm starting to feel sorry for you now and I don't handle pity too well. I haven't got it in me to stamp on you and kill you off so I'll leave just leave you there, writhing in your own embarrassment in the hope that you'll be able to recover enough of your shattered self-esteem to be able raise your head on these boards again soon.

Thanks for the good times,

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So pleased to hear today that the independent police authority are to investigate the role of the top man @ west yorkshire police, it seems he along with Peter Wright were the main instigators of the alternative viewpoint i.e drunken thugs killed their own fans.
Dukinfield the match commander should have been prosecuted for the decisions he took on the day and the woefull reaction when the crushing commenced but
the changing of statements etc seemed to be above him.

Fantastic that this whole unseemly episode is now being reinvestigated.

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The Juventus fans unfurled a banner at Chelsea last night with the words "Where is our justice?" but it seems to have escaped the media's attention.

Food for thought perhaps.

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Sep 20 2012, 02:21 PM
The Juventus fans unfurled a banner at Chelsea last night with the words "Where is our justice?" but it seems to have escaped the media's attention.

Food for thought perhaps.

The fact is that Hillsborough and Heysel are two distinct and seperate events and no parallels or links should be drawn from them despite the fact that Liverpool fans were at both events.
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Separate Liverpool related tragedies but for the fact both events saw football fans lose their lives, yet one is at the forefront of media attention and the other is seemingly glossed over.
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Oh Come on Blues

Dont be so pathetic! ok your game set & championship point down but surely you have something else in your locker.

Tell you what you have a little lie down, then come back with something more caustic, only point you made in several posts was a spelling mistake, use the other side of your brain ( the creative side), you hadnt even got past the picadors & there is still the toreodor to deal with before the Matador has to get involved! come on pretty please??

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Would you like to see what you would have won???


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Sep 20 2012, 05:39 PM
Oh Come on Blues

Dont be so pathetic! ok your game set & championship point down but surely you have something else in your locker.

Tell you what you have a little lie down, then come back with something more caustic, only point you made in several posts was a spelling mistake, use the other side of your brain ( the creative side), you hadnt even got past the picadors & there is still the toreodor to deal with before the Matador has to get involved! come on pretty please??

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Would you like to see what you would have won???

Just being picky, but the matador does the first part, then it's the picadores, then the banderilleros, then the matador again :P

(All of which come under the name "torero" in Spanish)
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Good point but in this instance Matador is still seducing local senorita while the picadors are doing the deed, with our mate Blues not being the most `rampant ` example we can do away with the banderilleroes altogether.
Any way kroblues I didnt do too bad only bull fight i ever saw was in a tommy steele film `little white bull or something from about 61!!

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Sep 20 2012, 02:54 PM
Separate Liverpool related tragedies but for the fact both events saw football fans lose their lives, yet one is at the forefront of media attention and the other is seemingly glossed over.

Yes, one has had major revelations released regarding it that may now lead to criminal convictions taking place, whilst the other... hasn't.

I'm sure there is more that could be done in terms of Heysel, but I'm not sure why the media is being criticised for not reporting on an event that is, for all intents and purposes, at the moment, past history.
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I think this Blues/Des argument is good enough to get this into Platinum talk! What do you think Mods? **thumbup
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Sep 20 2012, 08:59 PM
I think this Blues/Des argument is good enough to get this into Platinum talk! What do you think Mods? **thumbup

Along with many other threads where pathetic childish arguments break out I think it's disrespectful.

I've probably done it myself... but there you go.
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I thought it was funny, good natured banter if you like.



I'm up for a pathetic argument if you beg to differ though.
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