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John Terry Found Guilty; by the FA
Topic Started: Sep 27 2012, 02:11 PM (251 Views)
bluecity043
Geoff Horsfield
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Well well well. He now has a 4 match ban and 220k fine given to him.

Only he and Ferdinand know whether he was being racially abusive. If so he should be ashamed for never admitting to it and deserves all he gets.

I'm also glad he's not in my Dream Team :)
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bluecity043
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God I'm sorry! I always put threads in the wrong sections!!! :ph43r:
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SimonBCFC
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bluecity043
Sep 27 2012, 03:11 PM
Well well well. He now has a 4 match ban and 220k fine given to him.

Only he and Ferdinand know whether he was being racially abusive. If so he should be ashamed for never admitting to it and deserves all he gets.

I'm also glad he's not in my Dream Team :)

Well no, cus Ferdinand didnt actual hear what was said during the game. The only person who genuinely knows is Terry.

Which doesnt really make much sense given Terry's defence was that he was 'repeating' what Ferdinand had said to him
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I think "Blues Chat" means Birmingham Blues, .................not Chelsea Blues!! :copno:
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Sep 27 2012, 03:10 PM
I think "Blues Chat" means Birmingham Blues, .................not Chelsea Blues!! :copno:

Missed the post where he admitted that he'd put it in the wrong section then?
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I find this whole episode distasteful.

The England captain has used racist abusive language on the field of play. He was filmed doing it, he has admitted doing it (in court) and still journalists (especially London-based) and ex-pros (especially ex-Chelsea) are questioning the FA's decision.

This man has used his position, influence and money to delay the court case, and hire the best lawyers to put forward a defence that got him off on a technicality. The only reason he was found not guilty in court was because the context of what he said could not be determined. Terry wants us to believe that he was asking Anton Ferdinand if he was calling him a 'black c***'. Why on earth would a black man call a white man a black anything..? It doesn't make sense.

The reason it doesn't make sense is that JTs lawyers advised him to put forward this defence as he had been caught on film saying the words so had to give a reason for this.

He's then this week resigned as England captain just a day before the hearing.. What timing!

The question here, for me, is what would the press and supporters make of this had a lower league player - who cannot find the money for a top lawyer. I think they would be calling for this player to be kicked out of the game and it should be no different for John Terry.
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I have a totally different opinion actually.

Firstly, I don't like John Terry. I think he's a scumbag. I don't doubt that he did say something over the line of acceptable.

However, it's worrying to me that the FA are willing to punish someone based on one man's word against another. I'm not sure what extraneous proof they could have called upon to make this decision.

And more importantly, how on earth can the FA come to a guilty verdict when a court of law threw the case out?

Now David Bernstein has allowed a precedent to be set of ignoring jurisdiction, how about they do something useful and get Abu Hamza in front of the FA disciplinary commission?

After all, he's far more important than John Terry and with that attitude you'll soon have that b*****d extradited!
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willvbcfc
Sep 27 2012, 05:47 PM
I have a totally different opinion actually.

Firstly, I don't like John Terry. I think he's a scumbag. I don't doubt that he did say something over the line of acceptable.

However, it's worrying to me that the FA are willing to punish someone based on one man's word against another. I'm not sure what extraneous proof they could have called upon to make this decision.

And more importantly, how on earth can the FA come to a guilty verdict when a court of law threw the case out?

Now David Bernstein has allowed a precedent to be set of ignoring jurisdiction, how about they do something useful and get Abu Hamza in front of the FA disciplinary commission?

After all, he's far more important than John Terry and with that attitude you'll soon have that b*****d extradited!

I think the FA are fully within their juristriction to take action against John Terry.

There is evidence of him using the words F-ing Black C--t on a Football pitch.

That on its own is offensive, even if its not directed at anyone, the fact that it was directed towards a person, wether it is an opponnent or a team mate who is black makes it worse.

The referee, if he heard, would have been fully within his right to send him off for using offensive, insulting or abusive language/ or gestures. That would have carried a straight 3 match with what right of appeal? None, quite simply because those words are to some people, used in any context just what he would have been sent off for.

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R Kid
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John terry,Loathsome:Loser:Lowlife
Racist scumbag too!
The End
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willvbcfc
Sep 27 2012, 05:47 PM
I have a totally different opinion actually.

Firstly, I don't like John Terry. I think he's a scumbag. I don't doubt that he did say something over the line of acceptable.

However, it's worrying to me that the FA are willing to punish someone based on one man's word against another. I'm not sure what extraneous proof they could have called upon to make this decision.

And more importantly, how on earth can the FA come to a guilty verdict when a court of law threw the case out?

Now David Bernstein has allowed a precedent to be set of ignoring jurisdiction, how about they do something useful and get Abu Hamza in front of the FA disciplinary commission?

After all, he's far more important than John Terry and with that attitude you'll soon have that b*****d extradited!

1. For the courts to find him guilty it had to be proved, beyond reasonable doubt, that his comments were racially motivated. That could not be proved because, despite JT admitting to saying what was alleged, the intent could not be proved.

His defence was that he was merely asking Ferdinand if he had been the one to use the words first. It seems that the judge clearly didn't see through the fact that JT wants us to believe that, as a white man, he was asking a black man if he had called him a black ****. Why would anyone call JT a black anything? Despite this obvious flaw his intent could not be proved.

2. The FA case is different. They were merely focussing on whether language, of a racist and abusive nature, had been used on the field of play. It had been, something JT could not deny as he'd used it in his defence in court.

The FA were then right to find him guilty and charge him. It's a pity that he's not banned for more games.

I would like to think Chelsea would also take action against JT but this will not happen as they've already put themselves in a corner and defended him and he's too big a player for them to take action against.

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Sep 27 2012, 04:09 PM
I find this whole episode distasteful.

The England captain has used racist abusive language on the field of play. He was filmed doing it, he has admitted doing it (in court) and still journalists (especially London-based) and ex-pros (especially ex-Chelsea) are questioning the FA's decision.

This man has used his position, influence and money to delay the court case, and hire the best lawyers to put forward a defence that got him off on a technicality. The only reason he was found not guilty in court was because the context of what he said could not be determined. Terry wants us to believe that he was asking Anton Ferdinand if he was calling him a 'black c***'. Why on earth would a black man call a white man a black anything..? It doesn't make sense.

The reason it doesn't make sense is that JTs lawyers advised him to put forward this defence as he had been caught on film saying the words so had to give a reason for this.

He's then this week resigned as England captain just a day before the hearing.. What timing!

The question here, for me, is what would the press and supporters make of this had a lower league player - who cannot find the money for a top lawyer. I think they would be calling for this player to be kicked out of the game and it should be no different for John Terry.

Top post that sums it up perfectly.
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The FA bottled this.

they waited for the court case expecting him to be charged, he wasn't. They then had to be seen to do something about it and HAD to find him guilty because they took sooooo long to bring to their disciplinary proceedings.

I am n no way saying he didn't do it, just simply saying the FA have made themselves look stupid and perhaps even petty.

Anyway, the blokes a twit!
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Had the FA charged him prior to the court case then Terry's army of lawyers would quite simply have stated that the FAs actions ensured their client would unquestionably have influenced the case and that he would not be able to get a fair trial.

Terry brought this upon himself when he and his team demanded the case to be held after the European Championships. That was what held the FA up more than anything else, the fact that John Terry thought - and it turned out with good reason thanks to the spineless nature of the legal proceedings - that his career should take precedence over the law courts.
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clapton bluenose
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For those interested this is an interview John Barnes had on talk sport yesterday morning. For once I have to say he is talking a lot of sense.

http://m.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-key...football-181940
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