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| Harry & The future | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 13 2017, 04:27 PM (1,331 Views) | |
| archiesbluedad | Sep 13 2017, 04:27 PM Post #1 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Interesting to here recent quotes from Harry and how he talks openly about the team being one for the future... all immediate talk of promotion or top 6 seems to have cooled (which I'm happy about as I think it creates additional pressure on the players). My question is this do you think Harry will last the full 12 months if come January we are nowhere near play off positions will he walk? Is there a plan for when Harry leaves? (knowing he has openly said he is only here for 12 months). This isn't a Harry bashing thread far from it I'm enthused by changes and in how we played last night..(despite result) just interested in what peoples thoughts are on how future might look like without HR? feed.back :kro: |
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| willvbcfc | Sep 13 2017, 04:51 PM Post #2 |
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Gil Merrick
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I've noted after recent games he's started talking less and less possessively about the team & club. At the start of the summer, it was "we're building a team our fans will find exciting to watch". At the moment, after a few losses, it's "Birmingham will have a team the fans deserve". But maybe I'm reading too much into it. I have no doubt Harry will come good. But good enough to get us into the top 6 after the start we've had? It's not impossible, but I think Harry's realising the job is quite a big'un. |
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| Coorslite | Sep 13 2017, 05:12 PM Post #3 |
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I think his main aim is to stabilize the team and the club. After years of poor ownership and really some poor performances, he has built a team that will be able to challenge for a top 6 spot. Still think we need a creative mid and a goal scoring striker. I think that once he has achieved that he will probably step down. I really don't think he wants to be here. Well not 100% anyway. He is building a team that will be ready for a new, younger manager to take us into the Premiership. A top 10 finish is all I can see at this point. A win would be nice. **thumbup |
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| PA_nomore! | Sep 13 2017, 05:49 PM Post #4 |
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Paul Tait
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He's spent circa £20m. He said he will assemble a play off squad. Do it. No backtracking. |
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| westsussexbluenose | Sep 14 2017, 10:32 AM Post #5 |
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Garry Pendrey
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I am one of a decreasing number of Blues fans who did not agree with the appointment of Harry as permanent manager following the "Harry Houdini" period at the end of last season, ANY manager with an ounce of savvy would have done exactly what Harry did and shut up shop for the remainder of the season - defend for your lives, be difficult to break down and nick a goal here and there. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that we were 1 goal away from relegation, and that had relatively little to do with Harry and his prowess as a manager, it was pure chance on the last day of the season. I never did and still dont subscribe to the hype that then followed the announcement of his 1 yr appointment, it's not Harry bashing, it's just my take on a very very short term view the owners have. If they had appointed a manager, with a plan to consolidate for 12 months, build and develop the squad and aim to be in the premier league within 3 years I would have accepted that. It is pure fantasy, given how much money we dont have, the standard of the squad to suggest that top 6 and/or promotion was achievable, aim for it yes, but to suggest we had a realistic chance is pie in the sky. If the squad he has now was together at the beginning of the season and he had the close season to get them to gel then maybe we would have had an outside chance at top six . Spending 20million wont get us out of this league anyway, it has to keep us in it though so we can build on it year on year. I've said it many a time, 'Arry wont be here unless he gets us out of the Championship this season, if not, he will demand a cast iron guarantee that money will be available to play hard ball with the bigger spenders. He only said that he wasn't going to pay over inflated prices because he didnt have the funds to do that with, absolutely nothing to do with his not playing that game attitude - history shows you that when he has the money or the promise of money, he will spend it! - I mean he was going to blow the main bulk of the budget on just one player ffs :banghead, not exactly the sensible actions of someone who has a limited budget is it?: Everywhere he has gone to manage, when the owner/chairman/moneymen have said no more, HR has walked away or conveniently fallen out with the owners. If the market will bear the silly fees involved then you either join in if you can or if you cant/wont you dont - that is the market price, that is what some clubs will/can spend, so what he should have said was ..."I'm not allowed to pay over inflated prices as we do not have the funds,if I did have the funds then I will, which means we have to tailor our ambitions accordingly" - talk of top six and promotion just panders to those who expected/demand instant success when a new broom comes along . To answer the OP - I think that we wont make top 6, HR will get a big pat on the back and make a tactical withdrawal and we will be in exactly the same position at the end of the season as we were last - another 12 month view, little money to spend in an ever more expensive transfer window and on the lookout for another manager who is happy to give it a go for 12 months because that is as far as the owners are prepared to look. I really really hope I am wrong and that we can get to top 6 and all the excitement that brings, and I promise I will be one of the first on here to say I was wrong and was misjudged and misplaced in my views on the HR revolution. |
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| scudwalker | Sep 14 2017, 11:32 AM Post #6 |
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As you say a decreasing number. But then if we all had the same opinion we would have a very boring forum. I think we all realise next season Harry wont be here which ever league we are in it is what happens here and now that is exciting many fans and to be honest I am one of them, enjoying the ride of expectation rather than depression. I agree with you on the vision. In general it is very short term and I dont think for one minute after next season (18/19 season) the owners will still be around. It will be another dawn into the abyss of success or failure. Only time will tell. |
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| mezz20 | Sep 14 2017, 11:36 AM Post #7 |
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Paul Tait
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Didn't Harry always say there was an option for a 2nd year which the plan was to sit down at Christmas see where we are and if things are progressing as the owners want and he was happy then he would sign up for 2nd season?
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| bluebirdy | Sep 14 2017, 11:52 AM Post #8 |
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I understand you're not buying into the hype that followed Harry's appointment, but he managed to turn a team fortunes around in short a short time last season and I applaud him for that Also his reputation as a great man manager/motivator WAS already there BEFORE joining our fine club....so he was able to show credentials Fast forward to this season Now I understand your criticism as I'm as frustrated as you are ,but unlike some on here I'm looking at the whole picture.....he inherited a very average lack lustre team...he knew it, we know it....he addressed as many issues within the squad fairly late in the transfer market due to possibly the most overrated over bloated transfer market I've seen in my fifty years of being a blues supporter Transfer window ended 2 weeks ago with an international break squeezed in between.....we've had 2 competitive games to try and bed in the new players.....coupled with (admittedly) worrying hamstring injuries to several players Now my question is this What the hell do fans expect???.....are our expectations that high ,that we're turning into the muppets across the city, with thinking we should be anywhere than where we are given the mitigating circumstances??? What is wrong with people!!!??? Yes I hate losing, but unlike Zolas reign with us, I can actually see the bigger picture of what HR is trying to do Time is of the essence, but with everything thrown in I'm prepared to give Harry some slack KRO |
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| PA_nomore! | Sep 14 2017, 11:56 AM Post #9 |
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Paul Tait
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I definitely expect better than what we've seen so far. So should everyone else. Harry has the managerial pedigree to turn it around and he has to quickly. Starting with 3 points and no excuses this weekend. |
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| Blacksmith | Sep 14 2017, 12:18 PM Post #10 |
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Jeff Hall
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An excellent, well-written post which sums up my feelings exactly. **thumbup |
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| cmacatini | Sep 14 2017, 12:34 PM Post #11 |
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Peter Enckelman
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When we lost at home at Burton last April it looked like we were down unless a miracle happened and it did Harry arrived I was instantly upbeat - Harry is an upbeat character - prob from years of seeing it all and generally doing well as a manager And it worked - we stayed up! But he also seemed to lift the whole place - way he talked and still does. Crowds better this season and still this week despite losing, he is very upbeat about how we are starting to improve. New players excite me and although I was hoping we would see instant success, it sounds like they are starting to show signs of improvement and who knows this Saturday the party might really start! |
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| scudwalker | Sep 14 2017, 12:40 PM Post #12 |
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So for those who dont want Harry who are you proposing should be in his place? with justification please. :silence: :silence: :silence: |
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| westsussexbluenose | Sep 14 2017, 12:47 PM Post #13 |
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Garry Pendrey
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Bluebirdy & SW - agree with everything you both say there, almost! - Just to put something to rest, the last thing I am suggesting is that Harry should not be given time, otherwise I would have posted on the other Topic about that. The Blues need stability so Harry should be given time and deservedly so. He clearly has got the excitement back at the Blues and his enthusiasm has to be applauded and I also agree that since his arrival there is much more optimism too. Have to admit that I have yet to see them play this season but reading on here and taking in what the more sensible people post, I can see that there has been a huge improvement. I watched/listened to Sky on Tuesday and it is a long time since I heard "Birmingham, attacking down both flanks and domination" in the same sentence (unless you frequent some seedy back street venues! :ph43r: ) - so matters on the pitch are clearly getting better. I suppose what I am saying is that, I would prefer to see more from the owners in terms of planning etc but as you say, it is what it is and perhaps we should get used to the 12 month view all the time until someone else steps in who is in it for a longer period. The jury is still out for me with Harry but you never know with the Blues and they might just surprise us - that's what being a Blues fan is, you just never know what is around the corner. KRO and all that |
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| bluebirdy | Sep 14 2017, 03:55 PM Post #14 |
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So.....the issues with the board??....as you say things have improved on the pitch thus since new signings so can't really comprehend your gripe with HR I suppose if you weren't over keen on him before he came to blues, then he's really got to win over the die hard fans who aren't keen....performances on the pitch dictate managers tenures If there is any gripe I had , it was down to not getting the new players in earlier, but as said it was more to the point of this being a completely overpriced transfer window My only suggestion is to all is judge by Xmas, cos they should then truly be playing Harry's game KRO Edited by bluebirdy, Sep 14 2017, 03:56 PM.
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| Prem_Noob | Sep 14 2017, 04:23 PM Post #15 |
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Paul Tait
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Think harry is around 2-3 games away from the sack 5 losses in a row already and a few more will start to hit the players confidence |
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| westsussexbluenose | Sep 14 2017, 05:02 PM Post #16 |
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Garry Pendrey
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My issues with the board? again I am at odds with a fair few on here, but I would still prefer a longer term view to be taken, but I do accept that you have to start somewhere and only time will tell if the appointment of Harry was the kick start to a period of stability and success. My gripe with Harry is not with him personally, and certainly not with the effort and gusto he is putting in, but more to do with the fact that I can't see him carrying this on for the length of time needed to rebuild, and if he doesnt get what he wants then as a club we will be back to square one again. Of course, what I cant experience down here and in front of a TV/radio or PC, is the level of excitement and belief he is giving to the fans, and without doubt, a manager with Harry's experience and of course some successes during his years, it is clear that there is a tide of expectation building which hasn't been around for some years. I'm just a bit old fashioned I guess, and would have preferred a younger manager, on a longer contract and a corporate message about stability and building the Club and moving forward gradually. Football has changed dramatically in the last 5 years, and indeed the last 12 months have witnessed money and fees like never before. So perhaps my wish list is now not practical given who actually are owners of football clubs and what we are witnessing is the model for clubs like us who dont have big bucks to splash around and just hope that with a bit of luck and good fortune we can squeeze into the playoffs and do a Huddersfield - as I say, I really really hope that can happen. I look back when we were in the Prem, and how long it took us to get there and we would still be there if we had genuine owners and a plan, they had it all at their finger tips and royally F'd it up..hey ho kro |
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| beegeeblueboy | Sep 16 2017, 09:27 AM Post #17 |
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I think having an objective of the play-offs is just futile. All you are doing is getting a ticket to a lottery. And if you don't win it the team degrades in the summer because you've lost the loan players. In my opinion both the board and Harry are aiming at going up automatically this season and with so many points to play for it can be done. The better the players the easier to gell in my opinion. Edited by beegeeblueboy, Sep 16 2017, 09:33 AM.
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| PA_nomore! | Sep 16 2017, 09:57 AM Post #18 |
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Paul Tait
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I don't want him out. Not sure anyone else has said they actually want him out? He's a great manager at this level. I want him to know there's no shying away from the expectations that he set himself. Two weeks ago it was all promotion coming his mouth. When you're aiming for success you never back away from your goals. The second you stop saying you're going to achieve something you usually don't, and it's because you think you won't. A promotion mentally and culture needs to be set firmly within the team. That expectation only. Not one of which allows failures and makes excuses for them. Outplayed Leeds? Don't want to be hearing that when the reality was our defence were soft and conceded 2 sloppy goals, and we didn't create. We didn't outplay nothing. Excuses. So deliver against your promises Harry and sort the mess out! Edited by PA_nomore!, Sep 16 2017, 09:59 AM.
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| Coorslite | Sep 16 2017, 02:06 PM Post #19 |
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I don't think we are in a mess, just a transition period. Don't think Harry has played his first choice team yet, due to injuries. I think we will start moving up the table once key players are fit again. If they remain fit. |
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| Venoms_Gold | Sep 16 2017, 03:50 PM Post #20 |
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Ian Bennett
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He has to go, shocking performance and another poor loss. |
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| PA_nomore! | Sep 16 2017, 04:10 PM Post #21 |
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Paul Tait
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Yup. Same thing as I said in previous weeks, you can say we are playing nice football but defending is part of that. He's bought an entirely new defence and we are shipping goals just as bad as last season. Harry has some explaining to do. Hope he doesn't suddenly quit with a dodgy knee, he can be slippery as much as I love him. He's had the backing and now he needs to stand by his word. You said play offs at least, sort it out. |
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| Venoms_Gold | Sep 16 2017, 04:15 PM Post #22 |
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Ian Bennett
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You are so right. I would not be surprised if he tries giving that lame excuse. He has failed and failed badly. First he blamed the players then the board for not getting backed. Now he has been backed what's his excuses now? Redknapp out |
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| blue ruin | Sep 16 2017, 04:16 PM Post #23 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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If Harry's not to blame then we need to take a long hard look at the coaching and fitness staff because he is hardly ever there to monitor them and trusts them to just get on with it.
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| KennyBurns | Sep 16 2017, 04:21 PM Post #24 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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I'm beginning to think Steve Cotterill was the brains behind our survival..knows the Championship and all the players within the Championship. |
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| dorsetblues | Sep 16 2017, 04:21 PM Post #25 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Harry is still the man for me. It was a bad day at the office today. We need some key players back and a few need to be dropped like Ndoye. Playing away, keeping it tight and waiting for our chance will suit us at the moment rather than trying to find a goal at home. We will win at Derby. |
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