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Sullivan on petition
Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 06:01 PM (1,353 Views)
BluenoseMo
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puds
Jun 15 2005, 08:16 PM
I started posting again on this forum, because I was assured by a moderator, that properly offered opinions would be allowed, even criticism of the board.

:o Who's been telling lies - give me their name and I will have them shot at dawn! :angry:

;)

Mo
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anglo-welsh bluenose
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I teach under 9s footy and the FA is telling us that we must teach that winning at all costs is not correct. What they are trying to get over is the fact that there are bigger issues in the world that football. I think LBs past is a bigger issue than what he "might" do for BCFC in the next season. If any of you sign him up chaps really thought he was very hard done by at the trial in Leeds then please speek up.

I know JP has been noughty but I can forgive a man who drove a lamp post round a car park and then served his sentance more than a man who beats people up on or off the pitch.

Better 10 points lost than total loss of self respect.

CP.
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I think I must have lost count of the number of posts on here that declared that Bowyer had never condemned racism. I suggest that those who were quick to criticise now read his words on the official site. Whether you believe them or not, you cannot deny that of the face of it by supporting the 'kick racism out of football' campaign, he is effectively condemning racism.

He actually uses the words, 'I am no racist. I never have been. I never will be'.

I know that will not be enough for some people. But then nothing would be.

Let us learn a lesson from this sorry episode. Let us learn to trust the Board of our club will make the right decision for the future of the club. They may get things wrong occassionally, but who doesnt. Let us learn to judge our players, present and future, on what they do to help our club progress and achieve success, irrespective of the mistakes that they may have made in their lives. And let us learn that politics and sport do not mix.

Now I just hope that a very small number of well intentioned but ultimately foolhardy fans haven't soured our Boards relationship with this club through their ill-judged campaign.

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puds
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BluenoseMo
Jun 15 2005, 07:19 PM
puds
Jun 15 2005, 08:16 PM
I started posting again on this forum, because I was assured by a moderator, that properly offered opinions would be allowed, even criticism of the board.

:o Who's been telling lies - give me their name and I will have them shot at dawn! :angry:

;)

Mo
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Guilty as charged^^^^^^^^^^^^^



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fishblues
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liamcam1
Jun 15 2005, 06:30 PM
fishblues
Jun 15 2005, 06:24 PM
I would like to thank everbody who signed the petition :( , hope you are all proud of yourselves.

If we end up with DJ in the centre of midfield next season just remember you are responsible.

nothin against u mate but ur being just as bad.....what happens if DJ does end up in midfield next season????Hardly supportive are you?? KRO

I support us having a better team and whipping up a bandwagon that scares away better players is crazy. I didnt start a petition to get DJ dropped so I dont see your point, I support DJ when he plays but he is not good enough and would not get near a top 6 premiership midfield. So I stick by what I said.
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struway
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Last time I looked, there were 197 entries on that petition. Several had been removed by the author of the petition because they were products of someone's sense of humour - unless of course messrs Kieron Dyer, Jonathan Woodgate et al actually did sign it. Others are silly comments. If there are more than 100 real names on that petition I'd be surprised.

I don't believe that the views of 100 people on the internet are likely to have affected Mr Bowyer's attitude towards signing for Birmingham City FC. He knows perfectly well that some people don't think much of him. Does he think that such unfavourable opinions are only held by Birmingham City fans? I don't think he's that stupid.


There are other ways of looking at it:

Perhaps Mr Bowyer was already going to turn us down - he did once before - and the club don't want to admit it.

Perhaps Mr Bowyer's using it as a bargaining tool - I don't want to come where I'm not wanted but if you stick another 5 grand a week on I might force myself.

Or perhaps the board had been having second thoughts and are using the supposed effect of the petition as a get-out.


Tell you something though. If a couple of hundred people on the internet REALLY have that much power, Bush, Blair, Osama bin Laden and the moderators of this board had better watch out.

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djmmusic
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anglo-welsh bluenose
Jun 15 2005, 07:19 PM
I teach under 9s footy and the FA is telling us that we must teach that winning at all costs is not correct. What they are trying to get over is the fact that there are bigger issues in the world that football. I think LBs past is a bigger issue than what he "might" do for BCFC in the next season. If any of you sign him up chaps really thought he was very hard done by at the trial in Leeds then please speek up.

I know JP has been noughty but I can forgive a man who drove a lamp post round a car park and then served his sentance more than a man who beats people up on or off the pitch.

Better 10 points lost than total loss of self respect.

CP.

Precisely.

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Willie
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BluenoseMo
Jun 15 2005, 08:19 PM
puds
Jun 15 2005, 08:16 PM
I started posting again on this forum, because I was assured by a moderator, that properly offered opinions would be allowed, even criticism of the board.

:o Who's been telling lies - give me their name and I will have them shot at dawn! :angry:

;)

Mo
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What happens if Dawn steps out of the way...... Puds would really need a bandage then would'nt he :rolleyes:
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anna
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Jun 15 2005, 07:21 PM
I think I must have lost count of the number of posts on here that declared that Bowyer had never condemned racism. I suggest that those who were quick to criticise now read his words on the official site. Whether you believe them or not, you cannot deny that of the face of it by supporting the 'kick racism out of football' campaign, he is effectively condemning racism.

He actually uses the words, 'I am no racist. I never have been. I never will be'.

I know that will not be enough for some people. But then nothing would be.

Let us learn a lesson from this sorry episode. Let us learn to trust the Board of our club will make the right decision for the future of the club. They may get things wrong occassionally, but who doesnt. Let us learn to judge our players, present and future, on what they do to help our club progress and achieve success, irrespective of the mistakes that they may have made in their lives. And let us learn that politics and sport do not mix.

Now I just hope that a very small number of well intentioned but ultimately foolhardy fans haven't soured our Boards relationship with this club through their ill-judged campaign.

Well said. I wish I could have put it as well as you.

These people who signed are probably the same people who object to people giving vocal support to their team on matchdays.

Lets hope their actions do not make Sullivan & the Golds rethink their future at Birmigham city, but it wouldn't suprise me if these were the same people who didn't want their club being linked to porn barons 10 years ago.

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Bluediver
Jun 15 2005, 07:21 PM
He actually uses the words, 'I am no racist. I never have been. I never will be'.


Most racists deny being racists. Can you really imagine any premiership player saying "Oh yeah, sure, I am a racist. Always have been. Always will be." ?

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djmmusic
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Jun 15 2005, 07:08 PM
why is it that last nite on that petition there was loads and loads of names that were against signing lee bowyer, but now sullivan has come out and said hes dissapointed at fans support is everyone going back on there word?
i signed the 'dont want bowyer petition' andi still stand by my word!
keep right on!

Me too. I felt strongly enough to make my opinions known. Come on pro Bowyer people - if you'd felt strongly enough you could've just as easily presented your own petition stating your support for the signing.
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Blacksmith
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Well I'm not ashamed of signing the petition.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, I have supported Blues for over 40 years and have hardly missed a match, so I can't be accused as being someone who never goes to Blues matches. My views about Lee Bowyer have not changed and he is not the sort of person I would like to see at Blues, no matter how good a footballer he is.

That is my opinion, and as others have stated, on both sides of the argument, I am entitled to it. What I refuse to do, however, is enter into a slanging match with any other Blues supporter for having opposite views to my own.
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I didn't see the pertition,but what a joke,free speech yes,but signing up to saying no to bower, well someone was not thinking of how much this could damaged us in signing quality players.

THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR! and do'sullivan was right in what he was saying.
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gazebo
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Jun 15 2005, 07:33 PM
Well I'm not ashamed of signing the petition.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, I have supported Blues for over 40 years and have hardly missed a match, so I can't be accused as being someone who never goes to Blues matches. My views about Lee Bowyer have not changed and he is not the sort of person I would like to see at Blues, no matter how good a footballer he is.

That is my opinion, and as others have stated, on both sides of the argument, I am entitled to it. What I refuse to do, however, is enter into a slanging match with any other Blues supporter for having opposite views to my own.

Just beat me to it Blacksmith, although I've been going to Blues for a mere 33 years. I wouldn't want to be put in the position of booing a Blues player though and so if he joins that will be the end of my attending matches (at least for a few years).

I too don't want to get into any arguments about the right and wrong of the matter, or calling fellow Blues fans "morons", because they disagree with me. I am just surprised that Blues management had not realised how devisive an issue this would be among fans. While I have always respected the board for what they have done, I feel rather disappointed at the moment.
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bluebel
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The sad thing to me is that Sullivan thinks this is all about racism.
If there is one thing this is NOT about, it is racism.

A lot of supporters (not fans who sit at home and pontificate) that I come into contact with, don't want Bowyer because he is NOT the type of person that they want associated with Blues.

Pennant we can accept because he has been stupid, but does not appear to be an evil or nasty person.

Bowyer appears to be of a totally different ilk. i.e. he doesn't give a monkeys about anybody or anything, except himself. He is not a team player - ask any Newcastle player. He doesn't appear racist but does appear to be a yob. Now these aspects are why SOME True Blue supporters, do not want Bowyer to play for the Blues. I count myself amongst those supporters. I have not signed any petition except the petition for the new ground.

Sometimes in life and as a Blues supporter, you have to make a stand. Success is what we all want and crave for Blues, but not at all costs. Let's not forget our roots, we have always been a friendly club, always working together - supporters and board, but if we forget that certain standards NEED TO be kept, we may end up where we were 20 or so years ago, with crowds of 6000 watching players who on and off the field displayed similar characteristics as Bowyer, eg Dennis, Blake et al. They were a tough no nonsence group at the time, but also nasty off the field, and if you don't know how nasty you know nothing really about Blues. Remember Gayle and Saunders daughter for one! There are many many more that demonstrates the slippery slope of 'employing' the 'wrong type'. Bowyer would have slotted ideally into that side.

SB will get rid in a flash once he realises and sees the real Lee Bowyer, but by then we may have lost a few we want to keep.
Imagine Upson working and playing on a day to day basis alongside Bowyer. Wouldn't happen in my opinion. Perhaps Matty has already gone - who knows, but I do not believe he will not be around if Bowyer is.

Only my tuppence worth, but DS needs to understand that perhaps there are more reasons than just racism that make supporters react against someone. In this case there are not many who even think that racism is an issue, but still do not want Bowyer at Blues. All I would say to DS is look a bit more below the surface, AND, perhaps have a quiet chat with DG who may be able to discuss/elaborate all opinions.

I am Blue through and through and will support them 'til I die, and if Bowyer joins I will continue, but it will be a sad day in my eyes. Blues are better than the likes of Bowyer.

Keep right on.
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garrybaldy
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Yes blacksmith we are all entitled to our view but the fact is Mr sullivan rightly or wrongly is offended by this petition.What i don't want is for him to turn around and say 'i'm damned if ido'why bother?. Unlikely? but who knows. By making this petition common knowledge it could harm the club you have supported for 40 years yadda yadda. That is what i do not want to happen .we will go a long way to get a replacement for our board if they don't feel we are 100 percent behind them.THis is not meant to be confrontational but all i want is for people to understand the consequences of their actions sometimes . That small minority could damage it for everyone.......end of sermon!!
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I take your point to a certain extent, and in all other matters I have backed our board to the hilt when others have been against them, but in this instance, my conscience will not let me.
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Where is this bloody petition so I can sign it???

David Gold talks about Steve Bruce's Man-management skills in the same breath as Lee Bowyer.
Am I thick or is DG virtually admitting that Bowyer is a suitable case for treatment.
That Freudian juxtaposition was not lost on some journalists either.


I think people will find that the drop of £15K A WEEK, is the real cooler for Mr Bowyer.
Also, I think that Mr Sullivan has found about 100 reasons to save his own face after all the "we will not be out-spent" hype.

So step forward all you loyal and true bluenoses. You stood up for your beliefs, because you love the club. You will now be blamed by all the switchbacks, turncoats and fellow-travellers for every future misfortune.

Well done all of you who signed the petition. Power to the people!

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garrybaldy
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oohhh get you
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Sully gets offended at least three times a season. The board should be big enough to accept that fans are entitled to our views, even when they don't like them.
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nick_p
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Jun 15 2005, 07:55 PM
Sully gets offended at least three times a season. The board should be big enough to accept that fans are entitled to our views, even when they don't like them.

Exactly. And as someone on another board posted when told he should keep his nose out of club affairs by signing the petition, he's a paying customer (5 per cent of his total income was spent on Blues in fact), and so perfectly entitled to an opinion.
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fishblues
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Jun 15 2005, 07:55 PM
Sully gets offended at least three times a season. The board should be big enough to accept that fans are entitled to our views, even when they don't like them.

Anybody remember Wheldon, the Kumars the last few years of the Coombs, we do not know how lucky we re to have the board we have at the Blues, look at the Vile.

Sometimes I bet they wonder why they bother.
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Jun 15 2005, 07:19 PM
I think LBs past is a bigger issue than what he "might" do for BCFC in the next season. If any of you sign him up chaps really thought he was very hard done by at the trial in Leeds then please speek up.


i'm speaking up as suggested. one thing you could teach your nine year olds is to uphold and believe in the law and the british court system....yes, the court system that COMPLETELY EXONERATED lee bowyer of all charges in the case in leeds.
you could also teach them that everyone makes mistakes; your example of pennant being a perfect one; dont get done for drink-driving once, do it twice to make sure!!!! and because you have the good fortune that no-one is passing by at 4am you wont kill anyone...really, i wonder what you people are on sometimes, and the examples you must be setting the kids i can only shudder at.....
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RagsMahone
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Letsby Avenue,

http://www.petitiononline.com/SHA/petition.html

and i bet that link lasts about 2 minutes
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anglo-welsh bluenose
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Being a football fan does not turn me into a sheep.

Do you really think DS thinks we are all 100% behind every thing they do? I don't remember anybody worring about upsetting the board when we all objected to the whole sale uprooting of the season ticket holders in the main stand. or all whinged about the ticket prices. This is just another issue that a few of us disagree with the board on. I doubt is made the a rats arse of a difference to any transfer deal or any feelings of leaving the club.

I think it might be a calculated move to shut the fans up before it gets out of hand, and if that is the case I think it will work.

CP
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