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| hughesie | Jun 15 2005, 07:10 PM Post #1 |
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dont want a anti bowyer or anti dj thread. but is it ok in the eyes of the law/football fan to hit/elbow/kick/headbutt an opposistion player as happens every week, but is not ok to hit your own player in the heat of the moment if he has done something to upset/ anger you. like i said it is not a thread about any player, but from what i can tel by reading posts today the bowyer thread has now moved on from him being a racist to that he will upset the other players becase he started a fight with his own player?? also one other point, hartson kicked berkovic in the head in training when there was no clear provocation, but has not been involved with any other incident. sometimes players clash, sometimes players like to share (Rio & Dyer), it happens. |
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| tobedeleted | Jun 15 2005, 07:22 PM Post #2 |
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i agree with you hughsie, imagine where we might have ended last season if some of our players showed some passion. i dont support punching and fighting on the pitch, but things happen in the heat of the moment, and you need players that care enough to stand up for what they think is right. bowter was wrong, but so was dj when he hit that norwich player. if bowyer doesn't come i actually think it'll be because he never really fancied it, but if he states its because of the petition i for one will be gutted because it sends the wrong message about the majority of blues fans....... |
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| garrybaldy | Jun 15 2005, 07:24 PM Post #3 |
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Footballers are young men full of testosterone sometimes fights happen as in any walk of life . Ihave had fights with colleagues and best friends before(most have) the fact it happenes on the football pitch people use it to beat football with "thugs" etc.Football is a game played predominantley by men it is a hard game and players do not take losing lightly, a misplaced word or to " i did your missus" etc ,a kick here pull of the hair . Please tell me you would not react to some of the stunts on the pitch ! |
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| pgmayhew | Jun 15 2005, 09:06 PM Post #4 |
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Footballers are also professional, or at least supposed to be, so if they have any common sense they would settle their disputes off the pitch and away from the spotlight. I personally see no problem with sending a player off for attacking a team-mate and I fail to see the rationale of why that is any different from attacking an opponent. If you have different rules for the same event then you are just going to make the game complicated. It has to be accepted that any violent conduct warrants a red card, regardless of who it is aimed. Yes football is a tough game and players should get stuck in, but there is no need for actual violence. To deliberately punch another player, regardless of what was said or done is plainly out of order. I'm surprised anyone could accept it happening on the street, let alone a football pitch. As for commitment and passion, I fail to see how assaulting another person proves this. Just look at roy keane - there is a committed player. Yes he gets sent off for the odd reckless challenge but you rarely see him raise a hand because he knows what will happen. Sensible stuff. Violent conduct is mindless, and changing the rules will just bring in double standards. We all lose our temper but there are ways of dealing with it and professional footballers, regardless off their immaturity or hormonal imbalances should act as professionally as the job they are paid to do requires. KRO |
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| garrybaldy | Jun 15 2005, 09:13 PM Post #5 |
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foley okenla, richie moran
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pg if only everything was as you say yes there should be no violence in the game ,yes there should be no violence on the street but it happens. Roy Keane odd reckless challenge -is this the same man who finished alf inge haalands career and said he meant it??? i think your argument has been blown out of the water |
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| pgmayhew | Jun 15 2005, 09:21 PM Post #6 |
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Ok maybe roy keane was not the best example but my point was that you can still be passionate without having to raise your hands. And as for my main argument, it is still afloat from what I can see. A change in the laws of the game to allow violence against your own player but not against an opposition player makes no sense. Its a double standard. Violence is prohibited by the rules, full stop. All alws of the game have to apply equally to both sides, and thats the way the fifa laws operate. And yes, maybe I am idealistic not to want violence in football, but if its there, the players should be disciplined accordingly. Simple as that. If people choose to accept violence in society then that's their prerogative, but I cannot see fifa seeking to condone violence in any way so I can't see an imminent law change, nor would I ever wish to see one. There are plenty of others that need changing, but not that relating to violent misconduct. |
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| DF9498 | Jun 15 2005, 09:57 PM Post #7 |
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Jose Dominguez
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I cant condone what he done with Dyer on the pitch ,but if you look at why he done it they were losing to the Vile and Dyer did not pass him the ball ,at least he shows some passion in his game and that he wants to win |
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| SpokesT | Jun 15 2005, 10:08 PM Post #8 |
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So Dyer takes the decision to do something with the ball that he was in possession of, that Bowyer does not agree with, and so Bowyer lumps him one (or three). If we sign Bowyer, will there be something in his contract to satisfy this apparent childish characteristic you seem to think is acceptable? "£30k a week plus the right to demand the ball is passed to you whenever you see fit irrespective of the judgement of the player actually on the ball at that time. And a Curly Wurly at half time.." I'm all for questioning a team mate's judgement or actions, even berating them when necessary so as to keep them on top of their game, but to go into a fit of pique and then violence just cos one of them did not pass to you when you thought they should have done? Absurd. And equally absurd that some can confuse passion, generally a positive attribute, with whatever demon possessed Bowyer that day. Or possesses him to this day perhaps, loose cannon that he has more or less proven himself to be. |
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| DF9498 | Jun 15 2005, 10:13 PM Post #9 |
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Jose Dominguez
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Have you ever played the game yourself and found out how frustrating the game can be or are you a fat b*****d who sits at the back of the stands eating your burgers and abusing all the players |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 10:23 PM Post #10 |
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There is frutration and just being a mindless thug who's answer to most things in life is to hit it. If you went to work and hit a workmate because he would not pass you a hammer or a spanner what would happen to you ?? |
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| SpokesT | Jun 15 2005, 10:24 PM Post #11 |
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Frank Worthington
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Why is it there is always an @rse fully prepared to show themselves as such? The above quote is pretty much evidence of the type of person who supports the type of player that Bowyer is (working on the presumption that you understand what I am saying of course - I'll allow you that concession!) I dunno how long your debating skills took to acquire, son, but they ain't very good. :D Try harder and maybe I'll get irritated a bit heheheh! Although I didn't realise this temporary forum was that kind of place... |
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| DF9498 | Jun 15 2005, 10:26 PM Post #12 |
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Jose Dominguez
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Totally different environment passing a hammer or screwdriver or playing pro football and also getting beat by the Vile |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 10:37 PM Post #13 |
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No the principle is the same. we all get frustrated no matter what we do in our lives. the difference is most of us have grown up and learnt that violence is not the aswer to everything. Why is Freddie shepard so keen to get rid of Bowyer so keen in fact he is willing to write of nearly £2m. because he does not want a player with his image playing for Newcastle. so effectivley he has sacked Bowyer. Isn't that exactly what would happen if we hit one of our colleagues at work....... |
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| SpokesT | Jun 15 2005, 10:40 PM Post #14 |
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Willie, do you want fries with your burger, it's my shout? :D |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 10:43 PM Post #15 |
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Cheers that would be nice :D |
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