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| Press Release - fans answer Sullivan's criticism; the truth (merged threads) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 07:43 PM (1,829 Views) | |
| Bluediver | Jun 15 2005, 09:04 PM Post #26 |
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This crusade against Bowyer is in danger of alienating our biggest asset, our Board. I am not Lee Bowyers biggest fan by a long stretch, but those who are now upset that their polls have drawn criticism from Mr Sullivan certainly do not represent me, or many like me. To argue that a bigger percentage do or dont want Bowyer at St Andrews is redundant. Footballers are signed, not elected. I hope the anti-Bowyer brigade, who have made their point, now allow the Board to get on with running this club without any further potentially damaging interference. (......And people were afraid that Bowyer's arrival could damage the club!) |
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| garrybaldy | Jun 15 2005, 09:06 PM Post #27 |
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foley okenla, richie moran
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Bluediver i really could not have said it any better |
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| DANY | Jun 15 2005, 09:09 PM Post #28 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Strictly speaking we are all customers of bcfc, but this is a football club we are talking about and things work very differently. If our board want to bring in a better quality player than we currently have here and 'braindead' fans have stopped that with some pathetic petition it does us no favours in the long run. Forget your feeling about bowyer for 1 minute, without our owners we are nothing and some people should remember that, you can forget your european dreams, your joyful derbyday victories, your big name superstar signings, without Sullivan & the Golds it is all over. Any blues fan who does anything which angers or upsets our board must be braindead. |
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| tamworth_blue | Jun 15 2005, 09:11 PM Post #29 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Well Said and totally true |
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| garrybaldy | Jun 15 2005, 09:16 PM Post #30 |
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foley okenla, richie moran
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 09:19 PM Post #31 |
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BCFC will survive long after the present board have gone. why because they have ensured it will by making it so profitable. I do not subscribe to the we cannot say anything bad about the board scheme if they get it wrong they need to know so. I also do not live in constant fear that if we dare criticise the board they will up and leave. would'nt that be called chucking their toys out. So the board pay the money out of their pockets for these things then NO we do, the sponsors do. Dany id you believe that Bowyer will be good for BCFC then thats fine but plese do not come out with the bilge that the board will leave etc etc its a scare tactic and i'm afaraid its wasted on me. |
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| puds | Jun 15 2005, 09:22 PM Post #32 |
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Martin Grainger
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^^^^^^^^^^Get this man a beer on me!^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
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| ffblue | Jun 15 2005, 09:26 PM Post #33 |
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Steve Claridge
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I think we are missing the point? ... regardless of whether you are for him or against him ... do you really think that a handful of people (some possible young ... but still entitled to an opinion) in a chat room are really going to influence a multi-million pound deal (in wages if not transfer fee) .... it is not the petition that so far has made the most publicity ... its Sullivans reporting/using of it (planetfootball) that has ... Mr Sullivans remarks are more 'damaging' /high profile than what has been said in a chatroom ..... so why has he done it????? ... I go back to what I said earlier in his thread ... someone has a hidden agender?? why o why do we have to have the silly name calling etc etc ?? |
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| DANY | Jun 15 2005, 09:33 PM Post #34 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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You seem to be forgeting that the reason we as a club make so much money is because all our signings have come as a result of INTEREST FREE loans from Sullivan & Golds & their cumpanies. Why do you think we make vast profits while vile make losses, its because we are not cripled by loans owed to banks, all our money comes interest free from our generous owners. If you are under the impression that if Sullivan & the Golds sold up & walked away tmoro we would carry on as usual you badly mistaken. Who do you think underwrites & guarantees our big money signings? we as a club are actually something like £25m in debt, however because that money is loaned to us for nothing we have no worries and no CRIPPLING INTEREST PAYMENTS. You try paying the interest on a 25m debt and see how much we have left to spend on players at the end of a season!!!! Our profits would be gone and we would be left scrapping the free transfer barrell. Do not underestimate for even a second how vital our board are to our future, if we loose them we loose players like forssell & even competint for people like Parker would be laughable. |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 09:54 PM Post #35 |
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Sorry Dany but your wrong when you say.
All of our signings come from the profits made by the club and by the money paid into the club by Sky and various sponsors and us fans. We make so much money because KB is very good at her job.and so are the marketing dept. they will sell any space or opportunity to increase income "ie" what happens when a substitution is made??
see above for being wrong.
Its funny how when these old wifes tails go around how the amounts increase depending on your point of view. as far as i am aware the interest free loan was for £20m and that was over 10 years ago so i should imagine its a lot less now i'm sure someone who knows exactly will tell us. i shoulds imagine tha club underwrites the the big money signings. having never conducted a football transfer i admit i could be wrong.
see above.
Yes its important to have our board as they have the best interests of BCFC at heart but Forssell did not sign for them he signed for the ambition and future of BCFC. plus 30+k a week helped. any club can compete for parker etc its seasy just say your interested in the right papers and hey presto!!! Blimey i sound like coma arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| DANY | Jun 15 2005, 10:05 PM Post #36 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Its not an old wives talk mate, get yourself a copy of our latest financial report, we still owe £20m+, if we were paying interest every year on that money instead of it being an interest free loan we would be up a creak without a paddle. I cant understand how any bcfc fan can be so ungrateful. You just carry on uppsetting our board and we will soon be back in the second division instead of challenging for europe. In this day & age football clubs are powerless without billionare money behind them, we are 1 of the luckiest clubs in the premiership, every season we sign top quality players for big money and get better & better but sure, you think you know best and we would still be just as successful & powerful without our rich owners, NOT!! :angry: |
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| mandy@blues | Jun 15 2005, 10:10 PM Post #37 |
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Here is my honest (and limited knowledge) opinion of this.... I have had a quick read of the comments Sullivan and some of the forums have made and I feel confused and a little annoyed by it all. The issues to me: -We the fans of Birmingham City have no right to dictate how the club runs and who they decide to sign -However, the fans do have the right to voice their opinions on the running of the club without the threat of the board up and running (I'm sure the board are stronger than this!!!!!!!!!). Therefore we have the right to sign a petition if we have the information that lead us to believe an issue (Bowyer being a racist thug) - Personally if Sullivan thinks the fans are wrong then maybe he should spend more time proving to the fans that there is no evidence to support their views (i.e. proving that Bowyer is not a racist thug!!!) than criticising the fans! - My personal opinion is that Bowyer has a terrible reputation and that the last thing I want is for Bowyer to wear a Blues shirt. However, I could be totally brainwashed by the media and the guy is totally innocent. At the end of the day the fans need the CORRECT information to enable them to make an informed decision about him. The Blues fans will only get behind him if they truely believe he is not racist and not a yob that will not cause as much trouble as Scummage (we've been damaged by tw@ts before!!!). If the guy is a good guy and is as good at football as we all think then excellent...but if the gut is a racist tw@t who will just cause trouble for the team then we have the right to say (whether this makes a difference of not)!!! -I'm open-minded to 'the life of Bowyer'- if he is a gentleman, then I will shake the guys hand but if he is a racist then I would be very proud to be a Bluenose who signed the petition. Lets get a true story and then we can make a decision (We have a right ro voicing our opinions though!!!) |
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| Willie | Jun 15 2005, 10:13 PM Post #38 |
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Dany you really do have to try and get over this phobia you have about the board leaving. Can you imagine the headlines. BCFC owners quit club because less than 200 fans decided they did not want Bowyer signed by their club. Infact D Sullivan has given this petition more publicity than it would have ever got. by issuing that statement. |
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| DANY | Jun 15 2005, 10:18 PM Post #39 |
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Once it starts with a small minority going against the board though it escilates and gets blown out of proportion by the media. We already know our owners are tired of travelling so far to games the last thing we need is a petition by a group of idiots that could tip them over the edge. Weve already seen in the last day or two the sort of damage a 'small minoity' can cause to our club. When Gold & Sullivan are ploughing money into West Ham and we are in the second division the so called 'small minority' would soon be regretting their childish actions. |
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| BornBlueNosed | Jun 15 2005, 10:19 PM Post #40 |
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OK, firstly I don't want Bowyer here because of his well documented violent conduct on field over the years, his well documented violent conduct off-field often with an apparent but not legally proven racial overtone and the fact that I think he will be a disruptive influence in the dressing room. Basically from his reputation he seems like a repungnant person and could have a negative effect on the team as a whole. That said there is no denying his footballing talent and he is a player who could help us progress but other aspects of his personality may equally retard our progress. That said I did not sign the petition simply because I believe it sets a bad precedent for fans to try and dictate club policy on matters which should be decided by the owners and manager after they consider all the implications. Also I think the phrasing was skirting the grey areas close to being libellous. People are deluding themselves if they really believe that a small online petition will really stop a player from signing or the board from trying to sign someone. Every player who signs have fans who don't want them, anybody remember what was being said when we were after Heskey. Players know that they wont be liked by all fans especially players with his reputation. The treatment given to Gronks is likely to have more effect on our ability to sign someone than an online petition signed by less than 1% (thats less tha 300 people based on our capacity) of fans. Also their are many fans who either don't use the net or don't frequent forumsd and hence will also never sign either petition. I suspect that this has given him the perfect get out clause for rejecting a move here again. If we were to sign him I would of course tolerate his presence in the team and whilst I doubt I would be enthusiastic about him being here he would get support as part of the team when playing the same as all the players. Personally I think that other players may be a better buy as a complete package than Bowyer who is very much IMO damaged goods. People have a right to their opinions and things are never completely black and white every fan who doesn't sign the petition isn't in favour of Bowyer they may just have other reasons for not signing similarly every fan who doesn't sign the for petition is not necessarily against his signing. This doesn't make either group good or bad bluenoses and the owners are savy enough to know this as well and hence wont in the long term take this episode as anything more than it is. BBN |
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| valleyblue | Jun 15 2005, 10:28 PM Post #41 |
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Just one small point in all this - If Mr Sullivan was to take notice of a small PC clique and decide that we would not sign Bowyer because he's a racist he'd surely be leaving himself wide open to being sued by Bowyer. As I understand it the law in the UK (possibly Europe) makes it illegal to refuse to employ a person because of their personal views. Like him or not as a person Lee Bowyer is a premiership quality midfielder and in that respect would benefit BCFC. Or maybe rags and his ilk go around organising petitions in their workplaces trying to get people sacked because they don't like their political allegiances. Political Correctness or Facist Dictatorship I can't tell the difference. Having had my say I'm going to restrict myself to football from now on. |
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| RagsMahone | Jun 16 2005, 01:52 AM Post #42 |
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Martin Grainger
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"Or maybe rags and his ilk go around organising petitions in their workplaces trying to get people sacked because they don't like their political allegiances" Oh yeah, all the time, all day, every day. Actually if i DID do that wouldn't i actually be trying to stop a person's right to freely express their views ? |
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| Keith Jeynes | Jun 16 2005, 03:02 AM Post #43 |
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Well said BBN. Finally somebody talking some sense. If LB thinks he will be wanted by 100% of any clubs fan base then he is living in "cuckoo" land. If it is going to effect his decision on signing for us then he obviously ain't that keen. In which case I for one wouldn't want him anyway. This whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion basically because of Mr Sullivans comments which were simply not required at this time. BTW I didn't sign the petition nor would I. SB and the board look after who signs and who doesn't That's their job! |
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| hughesie | Jun 16 2005, 07:13 AM Post #44 |
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i think you will find that at no time have the club backed off becase of the minority, it is the player who has backed off |
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| SkyDaz | Jun 16 2005, 07:32 AM Post #45 |
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Exactly why we all became Blues fans eh? If there is a weird way of doing things, we will find it! The Villa fans are begging their board to buy someone and our fans (some of them!) are petitioning our board NOT to buy someone! How perverse! No one is saying that Mr Bowyer has an unblemished record but he is an excellent midfielder in precisely the position that we are weak. He has made mistakes but we can use that to our purchasing advantage leaving additional funds available for other vital transfer targets. Steve Bruce believes that he can get Bowyer playing and trouble free and he is our manager and we should back him. Our Chairmen are fantastic business people and would not jeopardise what they have built up by making a controversial purchase. Please can we let this drop and get behind the club and support the decisions made by those who have taken us already to the Promised Land. Bring Bowyer down here, put him in a blue shirt and let his performances decide whether he is a good signing or not, rather than his history of a drunken youth I am sure he would rather forget! Keep right on. |
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| struway | Jun 16 2005, 07:48 AM Post #46 |
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Do you know for a fact the player has backed off? Or is that just what Mr Sullivan says? We have no quotes. Maybe the club had backed off and are using the petition as an excuse. Maybe Bowyer had turned us down already and ditto? We don't know what really goes on behind the scenes. If we did, we wouldn't need wildybeast's leaked information. |
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| Joe Black | Jun 16 2005, 08:39 AM Post #47 |
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The moaner Rags and the other people that put this petition online have let the club down imo Its because we are so desperate to move forward and improve as a club that we have to sign quality players that are no longer welcome at the bigger clubs This is a set back for the club and an insult to the board after all the hard work put into finding new players |
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| cuteboy | Jun 16 2005, 08:45 AM Post #48 |
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I AGREE I WILL NEVER REPLY OR LISTEN TO ST ANDYS AND ALL HIS MOB AGAIN ON THIS BOARD THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEM SELVES IF I WAS SULLVIAN I WOULD SAY THATS IT IM NOT SPENDING NO MORE |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Jun 16 2005, 09:05 AM Post #49 |
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well done for such a fine 1st post. Get your facts right 1) I aint male 2) I did not start the petition. It was started by the same person who started this thread. 3) do i care if you dont reply to me anyway. Who are you to me? No-one 4) When you have been a victim of racial incidents yourself, then you have a different view on this things. This really is the final straw, the one that broke the camels back. |
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| Willie | Jun 16 2005, 09:11 AM Post #50 |
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Cuteboy if i were you go and find the originator of the petition and pass your comments to them. not someone who thought they were providing a source of info totally unaware of what the result would be. If anyone should be ashamed its you for ridiculing someone without knowing the full facts.................. |
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