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Can we conduct a petition......
Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 10:40 PM (336 Views)
brumfanatic
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everytime we want to sign a player. I`m sure the Heskey is cr*p petition before we signed him would have got 200 signatures. Or the don`t sign a drink driver it`s morally wrong petition 500 signatures. Should we have the sorry don`t know much about that bloke don`t sign him petition for players like Matthew Upson who I had hardly heard of. 190 odd signatures is a pretty dire return for a petition that a link to was posted on most message boards. Then somone comes out with a answer to Sullivan on 7 fans behalf. Let`s start the Sullivan out petition we could get at least 150 signatures or the Bruce is out petition. Polls don`t make any difference how many vile supporters do you think signed the petition and voted on the website. Sorry you have the right to voice your concerns but please don`t speak for the rest of us. Vote with your feet don`t renew your season ticket if you feel that strongly but you have no right to claim to represent the fans. You represent 190 odd so called fans but I hope that Lee Bowyer does sign for us but if he doesn`t I hope he has a great season and makes you all look the pillocks that you are.
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garrybaldy
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No more fu**in petitions .iam with you on this brumfanatic if you look at a few of my postings , i feel uneasy about a minority speaking for all of us
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But if it is a minority, which at 200 odd it is, why would anyone think they represent every fan when there are more than 29000 others in the ground every week, and countless more who aren't for whatever reason?

If Sullivan or anyone else took it as the majority view, what are they saying? That Blues only have 399 fans?
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garrybaldy
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No he looks at it that the small minority may have fu**ed up the chance of signing Lee Bowyer. WHO SB wanted to strngthen the team regardless of what you or i think!! :angry:
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Willie
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garrybaldy
Jun 15 2005, 11:55 PM
No he looks at it that the small minority may have fu**ed up the chance of signing Lee Bowyer. WHO SB wanted to strngthen the team regardless of what you or i think!! :angry:

When a football club decide to buy a player how do they go about it??

what do they have to look at.

Do they speak to previous clubs that the player may have played for?

Do they court the opinions of other managers etc about the players attitude etc

What else would they want to know??

any idea's ??
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garrybaldy
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What is your point????. the fact of the matter is SB wants LB end of
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RagsMahone
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This is a bit naive isn't it ?

The petition only asked for the board to consider that SOME fans may object to Lee Bowyer being signed.

It only ever spoke for those who signed it and claimed nothing else

It offered no ultimatums, threats to stop attending etc, and even agreed and stated that it is the boards and managers right to buy and pick who they want.

All it ever said basically, "here's some stuff about Bowyer that we believe makes us feel uneasy about Blues signing him" .. "if it's possible could you take it into consideration"

Usually one would expect Sullivan to say "what have the views of a couple of hundred people got to do with it" , and carry on regardless.
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Willie
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garrybaldy
Jun 16 2005, 12:13 AM
What is your point????. the fact of the matter is SB wants LB end of

My point is. Its obvious to everyone that Bowyer has a fiery attitude and that his past is littered with violent episodes. Now considering that the team spirit at Blues is probably one of the best for years. what affect would his prescence have on that team spirit ?

His image is that of a racist and a violent man who seems to show no remorse or accept responsibility for his actions. In fact he is still awaiting a decision from the police on his on the pitch bust up with Dyer as to wether he is going to be prosecuted. is that an image that BCFC want to be associated with?

His present chairman is willing to write off in excess of £2m to get him out of their club why is that?

Its said that if anyone can keep him in check Steve Bruce can. What makes you think that he can succeed where O'leary, Souness, and the law of the land have failed .

BCFC will buy this player no matter what we say despite the claims about the petition
i just hope if they do they know Exactly what they are taking on. and what his attitude and temperament could do to OUR club.
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Wilie,I asked someone else this same thing....
How is Bowyer's situation (or off the field life) any different from Jermaine Pennant who we signed before the player started a 3 month jail sentence ??
Bowyer reacted to Dyer because of his desire to win....OK he was stupid in his actions but Dyer is renowned to be lazy and only play when his heart desires (just ask Sir Bobby Robson)....you cannot say that of Lee Bowyer

He would be a great asset to BCFC especially as the guy is a 'battler'
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Willie
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Jun 16 2005, 07:36 AM
Wilie,I asked someone else this same thing....
How is Bowyer's situation (or off the field life) any different from Jermaine Pennant who we signed before the player started a 3 month jail sentence ??
Bowyer reacted to Dyer because of his desire to win....OK he was stupid in his actions but Dyer is renowned to be lazy and only play when his heart desires (just ask Sir Bobby Robson)....you cannot say that of Lee Bowyer

He would be a great asset to BCFC especially as the guy is a 'battler'

The difference is probably that Pennant has accepted responsibility for his actions.
and has made an effort to change his life style ( not including the latest allegations while on holiday)

If you compare their respective careers one thing stands out Bowyers is littered with acts of violence.

Pennant has made errors in his short career none of which have been for violence.

I think if anything that is the big issue for people is the Violence. on the pitch or off it Bowyer is not too bothered were it is. As i said is that the image that BCFC want to be associated with??

Can you imagine the day when he is waiting for Dunn to pass him the ball and he decides not to what is Bowyer going to do ??

As the old saying goes a leopard never changes its spots.
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As the old saying goes a leopard never changes its spots.

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Jun 16 2005, 06:36 AM
Wilie,I asked someone else this same thing....
How is Bowyer's situation (or off the field life) any different from Jermaine Pennant who we signed before the player started a 3 month jail sentence ??
Bowyer reacted to Dyer because of his desire to win....OK he was stupid in his actions but Dyer is renowned to be lazy and only play when his heart desires (just ask Sir Bobby Robson)....you cannot say that of Lee Bowyer

He would be a great asset to BCFC especially as the guy is a 'battler'

How exactly is getting sent off being an asset to your club?

I object to signing Lee Bowyer for more than just his off-the-field activities. He is a liability ON the pitch. Saying he cuffed Dyer because of a "will to win" is preposterous. He cuffed Dyer because they have a long-running feud going on, one which he put above the good of his club.

Take your blinkers off your eyes and stop treating this thug - and yes, I'd call anyone who stamps on an opponent's head a thug - like the messiah. He's not.

Once again, how can a player be worth 10 points to his club when he actually costs them points through red cards and suspensions? Newcastle lost seven games after his sending off - cost them two places in the final and a potential 15 points.
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Jun 16 2005, 07:00 AM
As the old saying goes a leopard never changes its spots.

Yes,you said it Willie
Jermaine Pennant was banned from driving.....a while later he started drinking and drove Ashley Cole's car into a lampost at 6 in the morning while still banned .....now this week he is on holiday in Greece and gets flattened by some geezer 'cause Pennant was being fresh on the guy's wife or girlfriend

OK,I like Pennant ,he is a quality player with a future but you can't put on the rose tinted specs when you talk of Bowyer

Lee Bowyer was ACQUITTED of a so called racial attack on a student...in my understanding of the legal system the guy is deemd to be INNOCENT....he grew up in a multi racial area of London and claims to have friends of various nationalities and supports the 'Kick racism out of football" campaign....hardly seems like a racist ????

I recall Steve Macmanaman and Bruce Grobbelaar having fisticuffs in a Merseyside derby when they both played for Liverpool but it was soon forgotten....'

And as for Graeme Souness throwing a 'wobbly' at Bowyer and Dyer....Souness himself tried to break Dwight Yorke's leg in a training session....some example he is,eh???

As you said ...a leopard does not change it's spots
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Partisan you are entitled to your opinion as i am mine as i see it i am not to keen on someone with Bowyers hunger for violence playing for BCFC. If you are then we will have to agree to disagree on this matter and get on with life.... :D
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Jun 16 2005, 07:19 AM
Partisan you are entitled to your opinion as i am mine as i see it i am not to keen on someone with Bowyers hunger for violence playing for BCFC. If you are then we will have to agree to disagree on this matter and get on with life.... :D

Willie,you seem to paint Bowyer as both violent and racist but I'm just saying things have been blown out of all proportion where he is concerned
Like many Bluenoses I'm trying to focus on his footballing ability and that alone

My other point is it seems hypocritical to ruthlessly defend Pennant and throw Bowyer to the Wolves (or the Lions ...Millwall....or the Eagles...Palace) Hee Hee

If we were to sign Alan Smith or Roy Keane from Man United (BOTH have been accused af being thugs in the past)....will there be another petition from the Moral Conscience Brigade of so-called Blues fans

As for nick p's comments he should check out the number of yellow cards Robbie Savage picked up in his BCFC career,take a look at DJ's foolish red cards last year and also check out the red cards picked up by the aforementioned Keane and Smith before casting doubts over Bowyer and it is ludicrous to think Newcastle's League finish was ALL down to Bowyer....Newcastle were abysmal all season long.....ask their fans....what a plonka !!!

BCFC ...First
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Willie
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Tbh if BCFC want this player they will sign him no matter what people say.
I just feel the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion. and to say he will not sign because of less that 200 people signing a petition (which i may add i did not sign) is ridiculous in the extreme. This morning it has been reported on here that Bowyer himself has now decided that he will not sign for BCFC as he does not feel wanted.

We conducted the Forssell transfer in secret until the last day. we were all applauding the club for that. seems odd to me that the proposed Bowyer transfer was'nt ???
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