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| tobedeleted | Jul 26 2005, 10:34 AM Post #26 |
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fair comment about the tickets and pricing, i also agree its a kick in the bolox when you've paid the thick end of £500 (in my case) and they start selling match-day tickets cheap, as my seat averages £25 per game, every game. however, with regards to player signing etc, i dont believe ds or the blues do it cynically, i just think they have the same passion and desire to see us do well that we have. if players dont want to come, or clubs wont sell, what can you do? you can outbid any team, but circumstances mean they go elsewhere or stay put...thats life and i accept it as such. what i find encouraging is at least they try to sign players, unlike the vile who just talk about it....... i still maintain partisan's post are generally good, although he is a bit ermm partisan....... ;) |
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| alfboy | Jul 26 2005, 10:52 AM Post #27 |
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It has proved more difficult to get the players they want this season, and I'm sure they are trying, I'm just a bit sore about where all my cash is going!! The problem is, the kind of player that we need to sign now will not necessarily particularly want to leave his club. Neither would the club want to sell him, if he is a quality player. This leaves us in the position that we have to offer silly money to get to talk to the player, then offer them silly money to leave. Our board aren't stupid, they never pay over the odds and I think that is why we are struggling to get the type of players in that we want. |
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| Willie | Jul 26 2005, 11:15 AM Post #28 |
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No mate im not its just comas little joke. I always thought jokes were supposed to be funny??? |
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| crusto | Jul 26 2005, 11:20 AM Post #29 |
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Its looking like we will have to treat Kilkenny as our 'new' world class signing and hope for the best then ;) |
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| Forssell | Jul 26 2005, 11:24 AM Post #30 |
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i agree i fear that we wont sign any more new players i mean it is the same squad that we had last season even forssell and nafti arnt realy new signings beause they played for us last season at some point |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Jul 26 2005, 11:26 AM Post #31 |
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That might not be such a bad thing. The way i see it, Bruce can not win with some supporters (not you Crusto i am talking in general). He gets moaned at if he doesnt give the promising youngsters a chance and if he chooses not to sign another midfielder and gives Kilkenny the chance, he will get moaned at. We have the promising youth players and they need to be given a chance at the premiership but they will not able to do that if they have 5/6 players ahead of them for a position in the team. Then when they get fed up with the lack of chances, join another club and become a success - some fans moan that they should have been given a chance. |
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| crusto | Jul 26 2005, 11:32 AM Post #32 |
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I mentioned Kilkenny cos ive heard you and others rave about him before. Im all for giving youth a chance. Its just that if it fails we cant just go out and get someone in cos of the poxy transfer window opening times! |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Jul 26 2005, 11:37 AM Post #33 |
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The introduction of the transfer window has made thinsg pretty difficult for clubs IMO. It means they have to prepare for pretty much every eventuality and end up with big squads and being unable to keep all players happy. We could start the nxt season with the squad that we currently have, but as you say there is the risk element. Izett could get injured again and Kilkenny may not cut it in the prem (i doubt this though), then we would be left with very little choice in the attacking midfield role. Difficult decisions really. |
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| TJDIXI | Jul 26 2005, 12:47 PM Post #34 |
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I think we should all calm down go grab a herbal tea stick the TV on watch premiership highlights of latter years and se-stress from all this press. If we sign someone we sign them, if we don't we don't and any repocuations can only come from either the success or faliure of the season. It seems silly to be negative now when we should be being positive. I shudder to think what life must be like for a prem manager when you consider all the arguments that come up on this board are constatly running through your head. DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!! Saying that Kilkenny would only be used as a bit part player this season like most first timers are in the prem, so i imagine there will be one CM coming in. |
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| gnrcoma | Jul 26 2005, 09:12 PM Post #35 |
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Where you been hiding proccy I've missed you! Just like to say funny how newcastle and spurs are going in for that player who you think is a joke boa morte.........£4million isnt it? Cant all be wrong can we? |
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| gnrcoma | Jul 26 2005, 09:14 PM Post #36 |
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crusto-savage4eva raves about grainger been a great player so dont read too much into it. |
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| tobedeleted | Jul 26 2005, 09:27 PM Post #37 |
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Where you been hiding proccy I've missed you! Just like to say funny how newcastle and spurs are going in for that player who you think is a joke boa morte.........£4million isnt it? Cant all be wrong can we? [/QUOTE] hate to say it, but missed you too!!!!!! :blink: of course, i'm not quite ready to admit i was wrong; newcastle and spurs dont exactly have great records of winning things or signing great players in recent years, do they? and how you can still say boa morte is great is beyond me..and most other people. do me one favour will you? start/contribute a positive post or thread - just to balance the books a bit. what seats have you bought for this season, i may want to look you up and buy you a beer....? ;) |
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| gnrcoma | Jul 26 2005, 09:47 PM Post #38 |
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hate to say it, but missed you too!!!!!! :blink: of course, i'm not quite ready to admit i was wrong; newcastle and spurs dont exactly have great records of winning things or signing great players in recent years, do they? and how you can still say boa morte is great is beyond me..and most other people. do me one favour will you? start/contribute a positive post or thread - just to balance the books a bit. what seats have you bought for this season, i may want to look you up and buy you a beer....? ;) [/QUOTE] Newcastle havent in recent times but are at least trying.Spurs have had some great players and have won things and likewise are still having a go at trying to compete. I didnt say boa morte is great,I use that term sparingly when it comes to players,but he is your higher grade of player and in my opinion we should now be looking to compete in the transfer market for someone of that ilk. As regards something positive? Look I am not trying to be funny all the time at the end of the day I want the same as you,success for blues,you see it different to me. We do have some really good players,Mario,Upson,Kenny,Dunn+Forrsell(when fit)Heskey all I am asking for is for blues now for once in their entire history to stop scraping around for freebies and has beens and start spending proper cash on proper players like Scott Parker,Robbie Keane,Boa Morte players like this. Players that can make you compete with the big boys,because the likes of tebily,johnson and clemence are never going to take you to that level. Finally I have not bought a season ticket this season along with two other mates as we will not go down until this board have gone. We even now have a villa fan on the board! Thanks for the offer of a beer! |
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| crusto | Jul 27 2005, 01:21 AM Post #39 |
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Lots of people have raved about kilkenny not just st'andys. Have you seen him play yet? I havent, so I will pass judgement on him when I do. If you havent why dont you do the same? ;) |
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| crusto | Jul 27 2005, 01:54 AM Post #40 |
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Do what you must coma, its youre god given right ;) . But hey, dont you think voting with youre feet is a little extreme? The only person youre gonna **** off by doing this in the long run is gonna be yourself. I know that if I stopped going down the blues for any reason other than funds, family commitments or illness I would end up going round the bend. Dont torture yourself (unless youre in to that kind of thing :ph43r: ) get yourself down there and support your club! It could be a whole lot worse for us than it is now. We are going in the right direction imo, albeit a little slower than I would like. I do agree with some of the things you say, perhaps we are not quite as ambitious as we should be considering the clubs potential fan base etc etc. There is a fine line though, between ambition and stupidity. For us to splash the cash willy nilly, the Golds and Sully would have to personally fund the transfers and Not Birmingham City FC. Thats because they like to run the club in the black and not in the red. The minute you start throwing money around thats not really there you simply have to be succesful (ie prem champs or really close,champions league qualification, or a cup win) to make any significant portion of it back and keep the club from sinking in to more debt. The minute the success stops, the club's got major problems. Thats exactly what happened with leeds, Bradford shelled out silly money in the hope of staying up and guess what? They didnt, and they nearly went out of existence. Basically,we are not lucky enough to have a sugar daddy like abramovich owning us who can just throw all his loose change our way. If you look at chelsea as a business you would probably find that it simply cannot earn enough to sustain itself without his cash, on the other hand our owners could leave us tomorrow and we would be ok. So in that sense, all credit to them. You cant really blame them for not wanting to personally fund big money transfers just to please us. I dont anyway. I do think though (from my basic calculations) that there is plenty of club money left to be spent on 1 proper world class player or 2 high quality players and I would be dissappointed if we carried on 'losing out' on any proper signings between now and Aug 31'st. KRO |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jul 27 2005, 05:23 AM Post #41 |
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Nothing like a nonsensical 'rant artist' like alfboy to give us a laugh So according to this 'comedian' I am the only Blues fan out there who didn't know the real reason Lee Bowyer didn't come to SA,eh ?? Well,it's common knowledge throughout the country that this damned petiton dreamed up by a few 'do gooders' dissuaded Bowyer from joining us....His "large Asian population in Brum" line was just pure camoflague because London has just as many Asian folks as us and he spent 5 or 6 years at Leeds where there is also a high ratio of immigrants....he also fancied a move to France which was also bizarre considering the Afro/Caribbean/Algerian melting pot that contributes to the culture and wealth of France herself........Bowyer basically is a lost lamb who feels the world is turning against him (as well as Souness and Kieron Dyer) but is one darned good footballer on the field which was the only way Steve Bruce was judging him And I never said Euell was 'world class'....What I actually said was that he's not a bad player Our board run the business side of the club and as another poster said,they are looking to keep the club 'in the black' ....not a bad philosophy when you look at Forest,Ipswich,Bradford,Derby,Leicester and Watford these days alfboy....I think the real reason you can't scrape the money together for a season ticket is....... 1) you're either seriously considering defecting to the Hawthorns 'cause you stilll have a soft spot for Horsfield and Carter or..... 2) maybe you just got fired for verbally abusing your foreman Who needs fans like you at SA For Christ's Sake ???? As for the blue tinted glasses well OK...I might wear them on occassions (I think they call it being a loyal fan although personally I prefer 'tired and weary') especially as on most days of the week I'm confronted by Vilers that keep going on about the Cup they won,then lost from a Newtown shop window and how our chairman just bought it's replacement and how tough it was to win the double when there were only 20 teams in the League and some geezer named Jack the Ripper was still at large I've had 36 years of promises and disappointments but things are finally looking up down St Andrews way (excuse the pun)....if you're expecting Ronaldo,Owen and Ballack to walk through the door then I'd start supporting Chelsea if I were you,then you can raise cash along the Kings Road from your soapbox lecturing bypassers about the evil ways of club owners and chairmen .....till then,quit the griping and get BEHIND Brucey and the team The manager and the board are doing the best they can.....you obviously don't remember the Coombes and the Kumars Keep right on |
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| alfboy | Jul 27 2005, 06:49 AM Post #42 |
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You quite clearly are one of the few fans who don't know the real reason Bowyer never came. Sullivan and Bruce have been quite open in the media about the fact that Bowyer had concerns about the large Asian population in Birmingham way before any stupid petition was started. And if you really think he was that bothered about fan reaction do you not think the much more highly supported counter petition would have swayed his mind? Don't credit Bowyer with too much intelligence, he mentioned France because he goes fishing in the rural parts there, I seriously doubt that he realises how many Algerian etc. people live in the more urban areas. Thank you for being personal about my scraping together money to afford my season ticket, very reasoned part of your post that was and I thank you for it, you've brought it all into the light for me. If you read my other posts properly, I said that I wouldn't mind if we didn't sign anyone else in this window, I think we're potentially strong enough to finish top ten already. My problem is with the rubbish that is spouted by Sullivan about players that we're going to sign to try and dupe people into signing season tickets. I've got no problem with the amount of money that they have put into the team. I've never once mentioned players like Ballack et al, the only person who's mentioned world class players like Ballack is Mr Sullivan. |
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| salad_dodger | Jul 27 2005, 07:38 AM Post #43 |
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Got to admit Alfboy has a point, the board and KB have always spouted off around ST Renewal time, i don't believe a lot of what the board come out with TBH |
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| Hooby Groovy | Jul 27 2005, 07:52 AM Post #44 |
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I don't understand why everyone gets so worked up about it. Every week there are sale adverts for furniture stores saying "final ever biggest sale" or "sale ends" - but they run them constantly. Walk past a travel agent and there are offers in the window - go in and ask for them and they are mirculously not available, but they do have a week in a hotel in Torremolinos for 17 times the amount the one in the window showed. Its called the world of advertising, and anyone that gets upset with Blues needs to wake up to the 21st Century, because like it or loathe it - its here to stay! gnrcoma says he is going to boycott Blues until the owners leave - but I have to ask who does he think is going to take-over? Who could run this club any better than the present owners? We've made remarkable progress in a short time, no we're not competing with Newecastle and Spurs yet - they have been in the Premier League for longer than us and rightly or wrongly they are perceived as more "glamourous" than Blues But progress is being made, we've signed Pennant (I still count that as a new signing) who will surely be capped for England soon, Forssell and Nafti plus possibly two more leaving us with a far stronger side this year Just a bit of patience and a tiny bit of positive thinking (instead of all this negativity) and a smattering of realism and we'll be just fine! |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Jul 27 2005, 08:01 AM Post #45 |
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Coma before you open that extremely large mouth or yours, get your facts right. I have never raved on about Grainger being a great player. You find me the evidence that I had said that. Think your confusing me for someone else. At least I actaully post something positive rather than boring the hell out of everyone with countless rants against the board. When you are unable to find any evidence showing that I have raved on about Grainger, then come back to this thread and apologise, I will be waiting. Although I would imagine the wait for an apology will be as long as the wait for a positive encouraging post from you. |
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| tommii | Jul 27 2005, 08:24 AM Post #46 |
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PATIENCE is a word which people need to start using. I know it is frustrating that we haven't signed anyone since forssell. We are trying to bring quality in. Okay the board have said they won't be outbid for anyone. This has probably happened. Outbidding a team is one thing, getting the player to sign for you is another. The players we have gone for this year have all been of a better standard, but the main problem has been teams with european football etc, have gone in for them as well. Which makes the task a lot harder. We should have already signed Pandiani, but Deportivo are being ars*h*les. So what would you rather have our board do, go and bring loads of players in, just to keep us happy over the summer. So that when the season starts we can slag them off again for buying crap. Bruce mentioned at the start of the window, that we will make our move once the big teams have finished. Chelsea are about to add more to their team in a player called Essien, that will mean players will become available. Tottenham are about to add more players to their team, that will mean players will become available. People on here want us to sign quality players, but unfortunately we are going to have to wait for them. Don't forget we still have the option of 2 loans. I imagine these will become active close to the end of the window, like we do every year. |
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| Bluediver | Jul 27 2005, 10:05 AM Post #47 |
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No. To be frank, this board dont do too much that I disagree with, despite some of my comments. I have no argument with them not spending massive amounts on players, or with looking to bring in bargain buys, misfits or 'gambles'. We haven't done too bad so far with this tactic. All I ask of the board is that they are honest with the fans. In this close season I believe they have been less than frank. Talk of £10m players arriving is utter nonsence. Of course they would say that a £3m transfer fee, plus wages over several years and other expences equals £10m. And it does. But in my eyes, a £10m player is someone whose transfer fee is £10m. To try and pretend otherwise is misleading. To allow fans to believe that we wont be outbid on a player but then say that we missed out on a particular target because he didn't want to come here is fine. However in the case of one particular player, Scot Parker, we never bid. Let me say that again for the hard of understanding. We never ever bid for Scot Parker. That is the reason he is not here. Not because he preferred Newcastle. Because we never bid. If we had made a bid, he may well still have chosen Newcastle. But we truthfully will never know. Because we never bid! This board will not spend that type of money on anyone other than an absolute certain sure fire Premiership success. Even then, they will be reluctant. Scot Parker was too much of a risk at £6m+ to go for. Why they dont just say that is anyones guess. Mine is that it suits them for fans to believe that they will spend big money because it sells tickets. But it is less than honest. And that I do not like. |
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| crusto | Jul 27 2005, 12:45 PM Post #48 |
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My point exactly. If the board came out and said, "look fans, were skint this season, we might get a loan signing at best" I would still renew my ST out of love for the club. I would accept it happily. When they say one thing and do another (which is what seems to be happening at the mo) I do not like it. Honesty is always the best policy. |
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| gnrcoma | Jul 27 2005, 10:16 PM Post #49 |
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Crusto-exactly! Honesty! Thats all I ask for but when I hear year after year ridiculus propaganda from this lot I am pretty much sick of it. Yeah it will hurt me not to go to blues next season after many years of going but the only way it will hurt this board is by not having my cash,sorry I work too hard for it and wont be taken for a fool by £billlionares. You also again mention leeds,bradford.Why not mention could we be like liverpool,arsenal after all are we not a big city club? I would also like to bury this myth that people on here seem to have that I want to bankrupt the club(then again how do you go bankrupt when you are worth a £billion?)all I think the club should do this season is sign two higher grades of players in addition to what we have ie,Robbie Keane£6m and Malbronque£5m which I dont think is totally unreasonable,considering the profit we have made. Finally one big sorry to lily savage4eva I always had you down for a big grainger fan,must be some of the daft messages on here send you crazy at times......... |
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| crusto | Jul 28 2005, 01:51 AM Post #50 |
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Me too, I dont think signings of that quality should be out of the question. I'm just as gutted as you are when we dont go in for them often enough. As for leeds and Bradford. I only meant that if a club spends money it hasnt really got, the club, as a business will need to gain a certain level of success just to survive. If you dont, its curtains. Leeds and bradford are perfect examples of this. I honestly think we could be up there with the liverpools and arsenals but the fact remains that we are years behind them. They were succesful when it wasnt all about money like it is now. They have grown over the years on the back of plenty of success while we were nowhere to be seen. We need to build steadily but positively, ideally with 2 or three top class additions per season and i reckon that over the next ten years or so when people say the word 'big club' they will think of us as well as the others. Spending stupidly would bankrupt us because the fact is BCFC is not worth 1 Billion, its owners are. They are not like abramovich. They will not invest vast amounts of their own personal fortunes to keep the club going. Its a hobby for abramovich, its an investment for our owners. But to be fair to them, they could walk away tomorrow and our club would not be in any danger at all and still be streets ahead of where it was when they took over. |
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