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Stop doubting the board over transfers
Topic Started: Jul 29 2005, 12:34 PM (1,122 Views)
Bluenose_68
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its all about patience. The right players need to be available at the right time for the right price.

A cost of our success is that we are now competing with the spurs, newcastles and boros of this worl dand there are fewer and fewer players around.
I actually agree with Mourinho about the higher up the league you go the harder it is to sign players. Lets face it if we were wigan or west ham you can sign 5-6 good premiership players and everyone would be excited..however if we sign 5-6 good players then everyone gets depressed cos we want these top stars we all crave.

If someone had offered you pennant, forssell, nafti and pandiani (as i think this is a done deal despite what they say) back in may, we would all have taken it.

finalyl for all you knockers...who exactly should we sign??

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dr.nick
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i dont dout the board over the lack of transfer activity, they are just doing what they told us they would be doing this summer.

they said they would not be buying a load of players like last season,

they also said that they would have to wait and see what others do.

if people saw this as a bluff then thats up to them but no one can say that the board have promissed use anything and not delivered.
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Harborne Blue
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I must have posted this about 20 times by now...

The TRANSFER MARKET IS AS FLAT AS A PANCAKE! Hardly anyone is moving even to the big clubs. CHILL OUT PEOPLE. The window is far from closed and the mgnt have yet to let us down.
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Bookemdanno
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When i said spend big, i meant £4 or £5m, not £30m, doubt we'll ver even see a £10m fee player join Blues. (Not meant as a dig at club before anyone else says that).

Yes you have to be patient for the right players, and I can appreciate we MAY have signed Bowyer had the petition not erased any slim chance we had of capturing him. But 'our' competitors who we are aiming to compete with for Europe, have spent. If we offer small fees upfront with add-on laden contracts we stand a chance of not competing in the market.

Anyhow got this off Teamtalk. Might be interesting- Yes, they missed Pennant off.

Major Ins.
Arsenal
Alexander Hleb (undisclosed)


Aston Villa
Patrik Berger (free)
Aaron Hughes (£1.5million)
Kevin Phillips (£1million)
Stuart Taylor (undisclosed)


Birmingham City
Mikael Forssell (£3million)
Mehdi Nafti (undisclosed)


Blackburn Rovers
Craig Bellamy (£5million)
Shefki Kuqi (free)


Bolton Wanderers
Ali Al Habsi (pre-contract)
El-Hadji Diouf (undisclosed)
Abdoulaye Faye (loan)
Ian Walker (free)


Charlton Athletic
Darren Ambrose (undisclosed)
Darren Bent (£3million)
Chris Powell (free)
Alexei Smertin (loan)
Gonzalo Sorondo (loan)
Jonathan Spector (loan)


Chelsea
Lassana Diarra (undisclosed)
Asier Del Horno (£8million)
Scott Sinclair (undisclosed)
Shaun Wright-Phillips (£21m)


Everton
Mikel Arteta (£2million)
Simon Davies (£4million)
Per Kroldrup (£5million)
John Ruddy (£250,000)


Fulham
Jaroslav Drobny (undisclosed)
Ahmad Elrich (undisclosed)
Heidar Helguson (£1.3million)
Niclas Jensen (undisclosed)


Liverpool
Antonio Barragan (undisclosed)
Peter Crouch (£7million)
Mark Gonzalez (undisclosed)
Jose Reina (£6million)
Mohamed Sissoko (£5million)
Boudewijn Zenden (free)


Manchester City
Andy Cole (free)
Kiki Musampa (loan)
Darius Vassell (£2million)


Manchester United
Ben Foster (£1million)
Park Ji-Sung (£4million)
Edwin van der Sar (undisc.)


Middlesbrough
Emanuel Pogatetz (1.8million)
Aiyegbeni Yakubu (£7.5million)


Newcastle United
Emre Belezoglu (£3.8million)
Tim Krul (undisclosed)
Scott Parker (£6.5million)


Portsmouth
Azar Karadas (loan)
Collins Mbesuma (undisc.)
Andy O'Brien (£2million)
Laurent Robert (loan)
John Viafara (undisclosed)
Gregory Vignal (free)


Sunderland
Kelvin Davis (£1.25million)
Tommy Miller (free)
Daryl Murphy (£100,000)
Nyron Nosworthy (free)
Jon Stead (£1.8million)
Martin Woods (free)


Tottenham Hotspur
Tom Huddlestone (£2.5million)
Aaron Lennon (undisclosed)
Wayne Routledge (undisclosed)
Paul Stalteri (free)
Teemu Tainio (free)


West Brom
Darren Carter (£1.5million)
Chris Kirkland (loan)
Steve Watson (free)


West Ham
Yossi Benayoun (£2.5million)
Roy Carroll (free)
James Collins (undisclosed)
Danny Gabbidon (undisclosed)

Paul Konchesky (undisclosed)


Wigan Athletic
Pascal Chimbonda (undisclosed)
Stephane Henchoz (free)
Mike Pollitt (£200,000)
Ryan Taylor (undisclosed)

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Bluediver
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Jul 29 2005, 12:34 PM
Does Keep right on to the end of the road mean nothing to some of you? We have only just started our journey and already people are falling by the wayside.

When the clubs ambitions apparently dont match fans expectations, there is bound to be some concern.

I wouldn't get too agitated. There's bigger things to worry about than fans venting their (understandable) frustration.
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Jul 29 2005, 12:34 PM
One man does not make a team.

Players like Gravesen, Riquelme, Wright-Phillips made a big difference to teams who were standard.

Look at Lecce without Bojinov, they were in UEFA Cup places when he was at the club, he left and they're near the bottom again.

One player can't make a team, but he can be the one reason for their uprisal.

StAndrews, I doubt the board because they're liars. When they stop telling me they're signing world class international midfielders, then it's Mehdi Nafti. I'll stop doubting them. When Bruce's 'fantastic ability, experienced and pedigree' players are Davids, Rui Costa and Figo, not Yorke and Anderton, I won't doubt him.

Bruce thinks quality is Spurs' Brown, and that's who we'll probably sign now they've got Davids.
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gnrcoma
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Jul 29 2005, 12:34 PM
I am getting sick of seeing messages slagging off the board for a lack of activity this close season, people predicting relegation battles and general doom and gloom.

The way the board handled the Forssell situation is proof of the work that goes on behind the scenes at the club. Everyone was doubting the board, getting on their backs etc etc etc. The guesss what? Forssell signs for us and all of a sudden all is forgiven. The board learnt from the awful handling and backlash of the Bellamy saga in January to keep their potential trasnfer activity under wraps. I for one applaud them for this.

All of a sudden, a new poster arrives on the board with information from a "friend" who has seen tv in Spain and all of a sudden all hell breaks lose! Have none of you actually stopped to consider the possibilty that the Spanish media are exaclty the same as here in England? They will make up stories to sell papers.

Even if we dont get Pandiani then it wont be the end of the world. One man does not make a team. What gets me is some of the people who have been moaning that Pandiani is not good enough are the very same posters who are know attacking the board for us not signing him. Unbelievable.

We have made some very good additions to the team this summer and only a few days ago Sully state that he intends to bring in 2 more players before the end of the transfer window - which is still 4 WEEKS AWAY. We have good strong youth players coming through the ranks and we have Dunn and Izett returning from injury.

Lets just all calm down, not be so quick to jump on the boards back, target individual players and have a little patience FFS.

Does Keep right on to the end of the road mean nothing to some of you? We have only just started our journey and already people are falling by the wayside.

Sorry lily but I think you are karren brady in disguise.

You can all come on here being nicey nicey about things and say keep right on and keep the faith...........yeah sure how many years we being hearing that tripe.

How do you know how the board handled the forsell situation then?

Fans get slated on here by the likes of you for daring to call into question why no serious cash is being spent of the vast profits made at blues and we also have the 2nd richest owners in football at the healm.

Those asking these questions want blues to progress and as a big city club want to eventually see their club go on and win trophies.........so no I dont see that as being negative,in fact people like you are negative as you dont put any pressure on this board to go out and buy top class players,just be content with the likes of clemence,dj,tebily (no disrespect) but will never ever take you on and win anything of note.

So yeah I am slating this board.
Ron Atkinson(who I cant stand) came out with a great saying(about his only one!)
"Dont tell me,show me" I suggest the west ham fans,cardiff and villa fans start doing the same.
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so, grmcoma me old mate, how do you intend to put pressure on the board then?
same way you wrote to the wigan chairman (never happened) or from inside the ground (you haven't even got a season ticket)? call yourself a supporter? no doubt you'll say you haven't renewed because its some sort of protest when we both know its just all moan, no show (as ron atkinson would say). the easiest thing in the world is to criticise without any constructive element, and that just about sums your posts up....slag everybody who doesn't agree with you - so now you haven't renewed, no doubt those of us who have are the "traitors and cowards" bowing down to ds and the golds?
really, you are so predictable but i like your posts because you provoke a response, which is what you're all about......sleep well, you've saved £475 or whatever it is towards your "oust the board" campaign
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gnrcoma
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Jul 29 2005, 10:24 PM
so, grmcoma me old mate, how do you intend to put pressure on the board then?
same way you wrote to the wigan chairman (never happened) or from inside the ground (you haven't even got a season ticket)? call yourself a supporter? no doubt you'll say you haven't renewed because its some sort of protest when we both know its just all moan, no show (as ron atkinson would say). the easiest thing in the world is to criticise without any constructive element, and that just about sums your posts up....slag everybody who doesn't agree with you - so now you haven't renewed, no doubt those of us who have are the "traitors and cowards" bowing down to ds and the golds?
really, you are so predictable but i like your posts because you provoke a response, which is what you're all about......sleep well, you've saved £475 or whatever it is towards your "oust the board" campaign
;)

Proccy-all I can say is you will look forward next season to many more games like the ones against those world beaters northampton.
And yeah I have been a supporter for 30+years,amongst the 6,000 all those years back but I am going like so many have down the years(130 to be exact),you finally wake up and think,hang on a minute here,this club,which is the second biggest city in the uk dont even want to win anything,and worst still dont even aspire to! And even worse still............its fans dont either!!!!!!!!!
I firmly believe that many blues 'fans' just go for the booze up and the football is secondary.

Finally what do you need constructive? You yourself proccy stated at the end of the season SB should be given £15million to spend.

Dont you question where this cash is going?
Are you happy that we now have a villa fan on the board? I am sure he has the best interests of the club at heart?

I can only put pressure by doing what I am doing on here and voting with my feet and believe it or not proccy there are many more out here who will be doing the same.

There is loyalty and there is blind loyalty.
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wrong again chummy, i look forward to beating arsenal again, beating liverpool again home and away, drawing at chelski with their £300 billion owner....i suppose you're right in one sense, i am blindly loyal but is that a fault? is it wrong to support the team you've supported for 40+ years in the ever increasing hope of winning something? i tell you this; you're bitter now, imagine how you'll feel if we do win something and you aint even part of it.....there's no way back if you dont go to support them, its like being pregnant - you either are or your not, there's no m iddle ground. i must therefore assume you're against the club i love because you're not with them.......thats sad, and thats why you're wrong..
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While I'm 100% behind our board, certain things have made me a bit jittery over the past couple of months.

Looking at that list of transfers in one of the posts above, I have to say that the Pennant signing outshines every one of them. He's better, or is going to be better, than anyone on that list. That was an amazing signing. So was Mikael! Those are two signings that we are over the moon with.

I was unhappy with how the board and Brucie spoke about our fans after some of them voiced their concerns about Bowyer. All that needed to be said to the press was to say that they understood that some fans would have concerns about the player but that they should have faith that they would not sign a player who would bring this club into disrepute. Instead, they badmouthed the fans who said their piece and did a big f**k you to any fan who felt it was right to say what they believed. I think that was wrong and unprofessional and amateur for people who are supposedly media-savvy.

Next bad thing was to offer a silly amount of money for a little tosser (Bellamy) who had already said "f**k off, you're too small for me", knowing there was no way he'd come here. That was pathetic and I cringed for us when I read that we'd bid again on the official site.

Things look good at the moment (despite me being upset if we don't get Pandiani), although for the first few games, I'm gonna be holding my breath every time Fors, Dunny and Muzzy go for a 50/50 ball. Hardly any team has managed to get the players they were after, even Chelsea with their Monopoly money. There's still a month to go and I have every faith that the positions we need to fill or get cover for will be sorted, even if it's at the death. And let's face it, we're pretty famous for our signings in the dying seconds of the transfer window.

I hope the Board can announce something good on the women's team soon as I think this will show some goodwill to the fans, bearing in mind the women gave BCFC such excellent free publicity in the European Championship. That sort of publicity usually comes pretty expensive, unlike the amount the team need.

So, although there's been a few things that have bothered me, it's time to draw a line under those and start bigging up the board again. We're all on the same side after all and I've every faith that come Sept 1, we'll all be happy as pigs, in spite of the way we look.

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Lets support the team, not try to make the Team look like a waste of space. Some good points are there.

The board have had their problems with injuries etc. However we cant just keep dwelling on this.

Remember what SB did for us the second season, we managed to get to forth. I know that it didnt last, but the team wasnt complete yet. All of a suden they struggled due to the team not gellin quick enough qand all of these injuries. Because of this there seems to be a lot of doubt, which has been highlighted very well.

Surely we got to give him a chance. Fair enough we have also been quiet in the tarnsfer Market too. However SB has managed to get Forsell back in the Fray, for an extremely low price. He may have had an injury, but good buy either way, The team will look after him we know that. And of course we got Pennant too, who has added the extra firepower down the right.

The team isnt complete, not much is happening. However shouldnt we just see what SB has done when they actually get out and Play in 05/06?

SB and the Board have my Backing and they need yours too.

So... Keep Right On! & continue to believe in what we have got.
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Jul 29 2005, 10:24 PM
so, grmcoma me old mate, how do you intend to put pressure on the board then?
same way you wrote to the wigan chairman (never happened) or from inside the ground (you haven't even got a season ticket)? call yourself a supporter? no doubt you'll say you haven't renewed because its some sort of protest when we both know its just all moan, no show (as ron atkinson would say). the easiest thing in the world is to criticise without any constructive element, and that just about sums your posts up....slag everybody who doesn't agree with you - so now you haven't renewed, no doubt those of us who have are the "traitors and cowards" bowing down to ds and the golds?
really, you are so predictable but i like your posts because you provoke a response, which is what you're all about......sleep well, you've saved £475 or whatever it is towards your "oust the board" campaign
;)

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I am with you all the way Proccy, agree with you Keep right on to the END of the road!!!!!!
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Jul 30 2005, 10:13 AM
proccy
Jul 29 2005, 10:24 PM
so, grmcoma me old mate, how do you intend to put pressure on the board then?
same way you wrote to the wigan chairman (never happened) or from inside the ground (you haven't even got a season ticket)? call yourself a supporter? no doubt you'll say you haven't renewed because its some sort of protest when we both know its just all moan, no show (as ron atkinson would say). the easiest thing in the world is to criticise without any constructive element, and that just about sums your posts up....slag everybody who doesn't agree with you - so now you haven't renewed, no doubt those of us who have are the "traitors and cowards" bowing down to ds and the golds?
really, you are so predictable but i like your posts because you provoke a response, which is what you're all about......sleep well, you've saved £475 or whatever it is towards your  "oust the board" campaign
;)

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I am with you all the way Proccy, agree with you Keep right on to the END of the road!!!!!!

cheers blueslady, we seemed to be getting overwhelmed with whingers and anti-blues moaners lately - god help us if we dont get off to a good start!!! :blink:

congrats on your prediction league victory - championy, championy, lalala...

:lol:
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Jul 30 2005, 11:48 AM
... we seemed to be getting overwhelmed with whingers and anti-blues moaners lately .....

Why do you call fans who are concerned about our underachievement 'anti-Blues'?

I'd have thought that they are passionately demonstrating just how 'pro-Blues' they are. For they are so desparate for success that any percieved underachievement hurts them to the point of remonstration.

Lets not go back down the road of in-fighting and name calling. I thought we had left the 'prawn sarnie' and 'Viler' accusations behind with the old message board.

Welcome back.....
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Jul 30 2005, 12:42 PM
proccy
Jul 30 2005, 11:48 AM
... we seemed to be getting overwhelmed with whingers and anti-blues moaners lately .....

Why do you call fans who are concerned about our underachievement 'anti-Blues'?

I'd have thought that they are passionately demonstrating just how 'pro-Blues' they are. For they are so desparate for success that any percieved underachievement hurts them to the point of remonstration.

Lets not go back down the road of in-fighting and name calling. I thought we had left the 'prawn sarnie' and 'Viler' accusations behind with the old message board.

Welcome back.....

thanks bluediver,I want my club to win trophies and I want the current board to spend some proper cash on top players instead of just talking about it.
So that makes me anti-blues and negative does it?
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gnrcoma
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Jul 29 2005, 11:03 PM
wrong again chummy, i look forward to beating arsenal again, beating liverpool again home and away, drawing at chelski with their £300 billion owner....i suppose you're right in one sense, i am blindly loyal but is that a fault? is it wrong to support the team you've supported for 40+ years in the ever increasing hope of winning something? i tell you this; you're bitter now, imagine how you'll feel if we do win something and you aint even part of it.....there's no way back if you dont go to support them, its like being pregnant - you either are or your not, there's no m iddle ground. i must therefore assume you're against the club i love because you're not with them.......thats sad, and thats why you're wrong..
<_<

Funny how you fail to mention the games against crystal palace,norwich,bolton etc isnt it,oh and while we are at it,northampton,exeter.

Proccy if you think that blues are going to win something in the near future by scrimping and scraping you are on another planet.

We still have players like dj,clemence,anderton playing for us.You really think they will take us on to win anything?

Its all about making dough at blues nothing else,shame you cant see it or maybe you can but cant bring yourself to admit it

No I am not with them properly until this board goes as I dont see blues as a football club anymore,they are a financial club.In fact football in general is not what it used to be.....................and that is the sad thing.
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I support the board & think they are doing the right thing in the transfer market...

but...

our central midfield is just not good enough.



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Don't know why everyone moans at the Board, most of the clubs in the Prem are stuggling to bring in players at the moment.As brucie has said, we only want players that will make us better and Nafti and the RIFLE WILL.
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Ill stop doubting the board when they start delivering top quality players like they have promised. If they didnt promise, I wouldnt expect.
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Spurs are having no problems in the transfer market, now whether this is because they are throwing money around or just because they are a 'london club' im not sure.
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Im not slagging the board but i think this season they have lied to the fans about bringing in world class players, i don't think SB has much money to spend thats why we have sold carter and blake, neither are world beaters but they are better than some, and as of yet not been replaced.

Its alright being positive but you also have to be realistic, the board have broken promise's before, re-building the main stand et al, they seem to me to move the posts (no pun intended) if it means they have to invest their own money in the club, i know they have before but they have had it back or are owed very little.

I'll wait til the season starts and see who we have when the transfer window is closed, but i really believe that the board and Bruce are pinning their hopes on Dunn recovering from his injury nightmare and actually playing the majority of the season, if god forbid he doesn't then they will have to get a footballing midfielder, something which won't come cheap and what we haven't had for a long time.

KRO
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So just to be certain I've got this correct....
The arguement is that in order to be successful we have to spend loads of money?
That somehow doesn't sit with sound commercial judgement....
First you have to have the money....
Second you have to identify the players....
Third they have to be "available" as far as their current Team is concerned....
Fourth they have to want to come to Blues....
Fifth we have to have a on field playing strategy that accomodates them....
Sixth - I still have to be convinced that spending money alone brings success (and don't even start with Chelsea because their one Season success was not built on money alone - Ask Ranieri!)
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Jul 30 2005, 07:03 PM
So just to be certain I've got this correct....
The arguement is that in order to be successful we have to spend loads of money?
That somehow doesn't sit with sound commercial judgement....
First you have to have the money....
Second you have to identify the players....
Third they have to be "available" as far as their current Team is concerned....
Fourth they have to want to come to Blues....
Fifth we have to have a on field playing strategy that accomodates them....
Sixth - I still have to be convinced that spending money alone brings success (and don't even start with Chelsea because their one Season success was not built on money alone - Ask Ranieri!)

again i concur with the sage that is bluebird...if only people could get your rationale through their thick skulls they'd stop bringing the rest of us down.....
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Jul 30 2005, 07:03 PM
So just to be certain I've got this correct....


Errr no you haven't. No-one is asking to spend loads of money.

Its just the Blues actions look like balancing the books, when they are the ones SPOUTING off about spending big.

Approx figures.

Blake(1m) for Forssell(3m) = -£2m difference.

Savage(3.5m) for Nafti(750K) = +£2.75m

Gronks(1.5m?) for Pennant(initial 500k) = +£1m

Carter = +£1.5m


In £5.25m - out £2m = £3.25m available. Hang on a minute, that appears just the right amount to buy Pandiani and possibly Basinas (with 250k offer).

I just don't buy into all the boards talk of spend, spend, spend. Take off the blue tinted glasses, and you might see things differently.

Or failing that Proccy's thin skull obviously hasn't provided an effective barrier against the sun frying his brain.



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