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Transfer spending?????
Topic Started: Aug 2 2005, 02:22 PM (1,519 Views)
Hooby Groovy
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yes we actually spent spent 8.5 million, but got 1m for blake, 3 for savave, 1.4 for gronks, 1.5m for carter we got 7.4m back.

so we spent 1.1 m, which if you take out of the prem pize money of 4.8m never mind tv money etc we are still 3.7m better off even with new signings


But you can't take away the sales of players and say "we've only spent £1 million - thats the worst in the Premier League" when you've only based the other teams in the Premier League on their purchases

If you want to argue, and least use parity

And once again you've ignored fees for loan deals, agent fees, medical and insurance costs

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then if you dont believe me, (and im not asking you to, i suggest you check out the plc records and see how much blues have made in profit over the last 10 yrs, add it up and ask the question where has it gone?????

not asking anyone to believe me but accountable records from blues dont lie. Last time i looked at them blues had a kitty of over 18million
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Hooby Groovy
Aug 3 2005, 10:22 AM
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yes we actually spent spent 8.5 million, but got 1m for blake, 3 for savave, 1.4 for gronks, 1.5m for carter we got 7.4m back.

so we spent 1.1 m, which if you take out of the prem pize money of 4.8m never mind tv money etc we are still 3.7m better off even with new signings


But you can't take away the sales of players and say "we've only spent £1 million - thats the worst in the Premier League" when you've only based the other teams in the Premier League on their purchases

If you want to argue, and least use parity

And once again you've ignored fees for loan deals, agent fees, medical and insurance costs

Tell me a team in the prem who has spent less??????
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Hooby Groovy
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Off the top of my head (and by using your system) Manchester City sold Shaun Wright-Phillips for £22m

When you can add-up all their purchases to over £23m please let me know
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Its gone very quiet
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wildybeast
Aug 3 2005, 10:13 AM
Question????
Who is our midfield general, why have we not spent the money to get him ? is butt really the answer or just another cheap deal????
chelsea - lampard
man u - keane
liverpool - gerrand
villa- mccann/berger
boro-downing
wba- gera
everton- carsley/cahill
spurs -davids
arsenal- fabregas/hleb
charlton - murphy
newcastle- parker
sunderland-
west ham-  chadwick/etherington
man c- barton/mastampa/sibierski
wigan- mahon/fransen
fulham- malbranque/legwinski
portsmouth- robert
welshburn - savage????
bolton - okocha

picture this, then tell me we've no midfield qualities;attack or defence -

pennant/butt/izzett/dunn/nafti

imo all the above are better than;

mccann/berger
gera
carsley
downing is a forward - they've just lost zenden so boro are struggling
davids??? we'll see
hleb who??
murphy
chadwick/etherington
barton/mstampa/sibierski
mahon/fransen
robert
cabbage

wake up, there's coffee out there for you to smell.......... ;)
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Didn't want to harp on about the same subject again but. Not even putting a big emphasis on figures or fees for this, but player for player since last season.

We filled the right wing role last season with Gronks. Moved him on a bought in Pennant. Big upgrade in talent, yet worked out less money (initial fee, but rising, so no full payment until later). Payed Chelsea £2.5m approx. Sold him for £1.5 approx, bought Pennant for £500k rising later. = £1m gone somewhere from previous transfer budget.

Sold Savage and pocketed £3.5m. Bought Nafti who will be sturdy but won't be as influential as Savage for ok £1m (unsure but guess). = £2.5m gone somewhere.

Lost Forssell to injury, replaced with Blake for £1.5m approx. Sold for £800k, at loss, then replaced with Forssell which is upgrade for £3m approx. = £2.2mil of spent.

Carter sold for £1.5m replacement yet to be filled. = £1.5m possibly available

Yorke bought for £200k released for free. Pandiani likely replacement for £3m approx.


Now, im more than happy with some of the signings we've made and Bruce has made it clear he'd like to add another midfielder to fill Carters spot, but who that'll be god knows. I'm not expenting WORLD stars, or even a bid for Jenas, but if say a Sean Davis, Malbranque moves, or other such quality players leave for resonable prices, i'd like to think Blues would at least make a play for them. Not settle for cheaper alternatives. Yes, if there are no player moves you take your pick on whos available. Butt wouldn't be bad, but Davis would be better if hes available. Time will tell.

Rediscuss on after the deadline i think!
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Bookemdanno
Aug 3 2005, 11:19 AM
Didn't want to harp on about the same subject again but. Not even putting a big emphasis on figures or fees for this, but player for player since last season.

We filled the right wing role last season with Gronks. Moved him on a bought in Pennant. Big upgrade in talent, yet worked out less money (initial fee, but rising, so no full payment until later). Payed Chelsea £2.5m approx. Sold him for £1.5 approx, bought Pennant for £500k rising later. = £1m gone somewhere from previous transfer budget.

Sold Savage and pocketed £3.5m. Bought Nafti who will be sturdy but won't be as influential as Savage for ok £1m (unsure but guess). = £2.5m gone somewhere.

Lost Forssell to injury, replaced with Blake for £1.5m approx. Sold for £800k, at loss, then replaced with Forssell which is upgrade for £3m approx. = £2.2mil of spent.

Carter sold for £1.5m replacement yet to be filled. = £1.5m possibly available

Yorke bought for £200k released for free. Pandiani likely replacement for £3m approx.


Now, im more than happy with some of the signings we've made and Bruce has made it clear he'd like to add another midfielder to fill Carters spot, but who that'll be god knows. I'm not expenting WORLD stars, or even a bid for Jenas, but if say a Sean Davis, Malbranque moves, or other such quality players leave for resonable prices, i'd like to think Blues would at least make a play for them. Not settle for cheaper alternatives. Yes, if there are no player moves you take your pick on whos available. Butt wouldn't be bad, but Davis would be better if hes available. Time will tell.

Rediscuss on after the deadline i think!

so the £6.5m for heskey dont count then?
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proccy.
Aug 3 2005, 11:23 AM
Bookemdanno
Aug 3 2005, 11:19 AM
Didn't want to harp on about the same subject again but. Not even putting a big emphasis on figures or fees for this, but player for player since last season.

We filled the right wing role last season with Gronks. Moved him on a bought in Pennant. Big upgrade in talent, yet worked out less money (initial fee, but rising, so no full payment until later). Payed Chelsea £2.5m approx. Sold him for £1.5 approx, bought Pennant for £500k rising later.  = £1m gone somewhere from previous transfer budget.

Sold Savage and pocketed £3.5m. Bought Nafti who will be sturdy but won't be as influential as Savage for ok £1m (unsure but guess). = £2.5m gone somewhere.

Lost Forssell to injury, replaced with Blake for £1.5m approx. Sold for £800k, at loss, then replaced with Forssell which is upgrade for £3m approx. = £2.2mil of spent.

Carter sold for £1.5m replacement yet to be filled. = £1.5m possibly available

Yorke bought for £200k released for free. Pandiani likely replacement for £3m approx.


Now, im more than happy with some of the signings we've made and Bruce has made it clear he'd like to add another midfielder to fill Carters spot, but who that'll be god knows. I'm not expenting WORLD stars, or even a bid for Jenas, but if say a Sean Davis, Malbranque moves, or other such quality players leave for resonable prices, i'd like to think Blues would at least make a play for them. Not settle for cheaper alternatives. Yes, if there are no player moves you take your pick on whos available. Butt wouldn't be bad, but Davis would be better if hes available. Time will tell.

Rediscuss on after the deadline i think!

so the £6.5m for heskey dont count then?

We signed Heskey last seaon, so can only recon that, it was last season budget, and has it fully added up to £6.5m yet?

I was only refering to the players who've moved on, since last summer.

As I was saying, Player for player (numbers) we WERE down on numbers with IMO money to spend. Now since i spent so much time typing that previous post with numerous interuptions at work, we've signed Butt, which appears a good bit of business and has filled the void created by Carters departure.

But I'd still be pissed if Sean Davis moves next week for less than £3m but thats just me.

At least we're covered for defensive midfielders now. :unsure:
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proccy.
Aug 3 2005, 11:23 AM
Bookemdanno
Aug 3 2005, 11:19 AM
Didn't want to harp on about the same subject again but. Not even putting a big emphasis on figures or fees for this, but player for player since last season.

We filled the right wing role last season with Gronks. Moved him on a bought in Pennant. Big upgrade in talent, yet worked out less money (initial fee, but rising, so no full payment until later). Payed Chelsea £2.5m approx. Sold him for £1.5 approx, bought Pennant for £500k rising later.  = £1m gone somewhere from previous transfer budget.

Sold Savage and pocketed £3.5m. Bought Nafti who will be sturdy but won't be as influential as Savage for ok £1m (unsure but guess). = £2.5m gone somewhere.

Lost Forssell to injury, replaced with Blake for £1.5m approx. Sold for £800k, at loss, then replaced with Forssell which is upgrade for £3m approx. = £2.2mil of spent.

Carter sold for £1.5m replacement yet to be filled. = £1.5m possibly available

Yorke bought for £200k released for free. Pandiani likely replacement for £3m approx.


Now, im more than happy with some of the signings we've made and Bruce has made it clear he'd like to add another midfielder to fill Carters spot, but who that'll be god knows. I'm not expenting WORLD stars, or even a bid for Jenas, but if say a Sean Davis, Malbranque moves, or other such quality players leave for resonable prices, i'd like to think Blues would at least make a play for them. Not settle for cheaper alternatives. Yes, if there are no player moves you take your pick on whos available. Butt wouldn't be bad, but Davis would be better if hes available. Time will tell.

Rediscuss on after the deadline i think!

so the £6.5m for heskey dont count then?

heskey will not ever be more than £3million because half of it was on england apperances!!!

proccy, Hleb? arsenal midfielder??? 10mill, ring any bells?

pennant/butt/izzett/dunn/nafti? I listed midfield generals, yes we have great midfielders, but a leader, i think not

Hooby, yes man city got 22+ for SWP, but the bank has taken 17m in loan repayments so count that as 17m spent, + 2 vassell cole at 1.5 (reported) and Mustampa at 3 that makes 23.5 mill spent not counting fees etc
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Wildy - Musampa is on a year long loan as Man City could not afford to buy him so Athletico agreed to another loan.
Cole was on a free transfer.
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sorry st a's for once i am right, both are on undisclosed fee's reportedly at the figures i gave, which themselves are for the clubs that sold them
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wildybeast
Aug 3 2005, 02:32 PM
sorry st a's for once i am right, both are on undisclosed fee's reportedly at the figures i gave, which themselves are for the clubs that sold them

"Fulham allowed Cole to leave on a free transfer, despite having a year left on his contract at Craven Cottage"

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.a...nel=premiership

"City boss Stuart Pearce, who has limited funds, admitted he could not afford to buy Musampa - but now he has landed the Dutch international on a season-long loan"


http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.a...nel=premiership

Check out the link mate. The evidence dont lie ;)
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hey not arguing, but have you looked at the fee for the loan????? also cole from your same source

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/player.asp?plid=1820

undisclosed amount, which i can tell you aint a freebee

anyway its man city , they can go bankrupt for all i care
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Fair enough, but if we are going to start adding loan amounts into the equation then it will alter your figures as we will have piad out planty of loan charges and weill continue to do so.
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given up with discussing figures with blues, anyone who wants to argue, just get the plc figures and add it up for the last ten years, and see how much profit we made? then ask where it has gone? add that to this years money and we can buy gerrard or fat frank !!!
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Birmingham Profits Up

09/01/2005

Good performances on and off the pitch have meant that Birmingham City has been able to report a 61 per cent rise in pre-tax profits from £3.3m to £5.6m in year to 31 August. During the year the club spent £12m on players including the purchases of Emile Heskey and Dwight Yorke. Turnover rose 24 per cent from £36.5m to £45.3m. The club's plans for a new 50,000 stadium depend on the city being granted one of eight regional casino licences.


Thats the official report's figures weres all this money that sitting around being wasted

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As Blues are a Plc, surely profits are distributed to share holders as dividend payments. As a Plc it is important to reward shareholders.

Anyway, I do not care who is or isn't making money, as long as the club is well run and the team continues to improve. While that is the case, good luck to those who are making a few bob by doing a good job.
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Regarding the transfer kitty, hasn't SB stated before they like to keep some in reserve for the Jan transfer window?
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richinio
Aug 3 2005, 08:40 PM
As Blues are a Plc, surely profits are distributed to share holders as dividend payments. As a Plc it is important to reward shareholders.

Anyway, I do not care who is or isn't making money, as long as the club is well run and the team continues to improve. While that is the case, good luck to those who are making a few bob by doing a good job.

oh richinio, stop being sensible!! you'll put the dampers on wildy's inane attacks on the club......... ;)
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Aug 3 2005, 10:47 PM
richinio
Aug 3 2005, 08:40 PM
As Blues are a Plc, surely profits are distributed to share holders as dividend payments. As a Plc it is important to reward shareholders.

Anyway, I do not care who is or isn't making money, as long as the club is well run and the team continues to improve. While that is the case, good luck to those who are making a few bob by doing a good job.

oh richinio, stop being sensible!! you'll put the dampers on wildy's inane attacks on the club......... ;)


Oh sorry. The club is a total shambles, and the board are so hard up they spend all day, every day dreaming up new ways to con us out of our hard earned. ;)
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