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Kennys injury; heavily disguised blessing???
Topic Started: Aug 3 2005, 09:12 AM (381 Views)
alfboy
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With Kenny out for possibly the first 3-4 games it will give Taylor a chance to show what he can do.

Last season when he played the first two games in his natural position I thought he was superb, particularly against chelsea, he dealt with Drogba admirably, he didn't have a sniff.
If Taylor can perform well over those games maybe he can prove to the fans and to Brucey et al that we don't desperately need to sign a centre back as people seem to think we do.
We have Taylor and Tebily as cover, they are more than adequate back-up for the season ahead.
Keeping 3 quality centre halves happy is more difficult than keeping 3 quality forwards happy. The manager will often change a forward with maybe 30 mins left to freshen things up, or rotate things a little if a striker hits a lean patch. With the centre halves, it's better to be a settled unit and you don't often change things part way through a game.

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agreed keeping four quality centre halves happy would be a problem, however we only have two! I think Tebily is well aware of his place in the scheme of it all.

Time and time again last season you saw Kenny struggle against pace and unfortunaly as soon as teams crack on to that they'll throw pace at him and get there chances on goal or Kenny sent off.
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My main worry with Martin Taylor is he appears to be accident prone, he has been involved in several mix ups when he has played that always get described as unfortunate but ultimately cost us goals and points.

I would like somebody else in myself, who is top quality, but thats just my view.
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alfboy
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Taylor is no more error-prone than Kenny or Upson IMO.
Kenny has scored several own goals and also made little slips and errors that have cost us.
Upson has also made errors that have cost us goals.

Taylors are just highlighted more because he's only had bit-parts to play.


Plus I think it would make a refreshing change to have a centre half who can actually pass the ball out. At least I wouldn't panic every time it was worked across the back line!!!!
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I think that Alex Bruce will be very much in Bruce seniors mind as potential cover for Kenny - if he was not injured as well. Bruce jnr looks a very acomplished central defender when he has played there and he stands more chance of getting a game there than a t right back - his natural position.

I am still not sure about Taylor. He has looked shaky defending every time I have seen him and he does seem prone to mistakes. Now this could be due to lack of 1st team action but it may be just his way.

Whilst I agree he is one of the few defenders we have who is willing to play the ball out of defence and actually cross over the half way line, I am not 100% confident about having him in the team. Tebily did a great job at cb at Derby but he too is injured.

Taylor and Painter are the only fit cover that we have for the central defence position at the moment so we dont have a lot of choice. :(
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alfboy
Aug 3 2005, 09:49 AM
Taylor is no more error-prone than Kenny or Upson IMO.
Kenny has scored several own goals and also made little slips and errors that have cost us.
Upson has also made errors that have cost us goals.

Taylors are just highlighted more because he's only had bit-parts to play.


Plus I think it would make a refreshing change to have a centre half who can actually pass the ball out. At least I wouldn't panic every time it was worked across the back line!!!!

Martin T is a bit like Purse. You are always waiting for the cock-up that leads directly to a goal. Purse was almost one every two games - Taylor is a bit like that too
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Wouldn't say that Martin Taylor coped too well in the F.A.Cup game against Chelski.
The set piece goal that Huth and Terry manufactured he was shown up for being caught cold. Even if he was slow to the ball, he should have made sure that if he was going to be blocked off - it was the last part Terry played in the match.

A hard centre half wouldn't have been totally suckered!
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alfboy
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Chelsea did that to many teams last season, including in the Champions league quarter final against Barcelona.
I wouldn't call Taylor a mug for falling for that.

And what if he had taken Terry out, he gets sent off and it's a penalty anyway, that's a ridiculous suggestion.
There are no hard centre halves anymore, it's about skill and pace now, rather than strength.
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alfboy
Aug 3 2005, 09:49 AM
Taylor is no more error-prone than Kenny or Upson IMO.
Kenny has scored several own goals and also made little slips and errors that have cost us.
Upson has also made errors that have cost us goals.

Taylors are just highlighted more because he's only had bit-parts to play.


Plus I think it would make a refreshing change to have a centre half who can actually pass the ball out.  At least I wouldn't panic every time it was worked across the back line!!!!

Excellent post IMO, dead on the button Alfboy, kenny has a great football brain but his legs are slow now, maybe if Kenny done a shearer and gave up international football to save himself for his club might be an answer.
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bbluenozee
Aug 3 2005, 10:18 AM
A hard centre half wouldn't have been totally suckered!

I agree. Taylor needs to add a bit of "steel" to his game. He is a good footballer but often appears to doze off at crucial times EG Chelsea away and Pompey away the season before last.
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For a guy his size, he sure is timid.

Could we get Huth on loan?
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Aug 3 2005, 12:34 PM
bbluenozee
Aug 3 2005, 10:18 AM
A hard centre half wouldn't have been totally suckered!

I agree. Taylor needs to add a bit of "steel" to his game. He is a good footballer but often appears to doze off at crucial times EG Chelsea away and Pompey away the season before last.

he didn't fall asleep at chelski, he was obstructed by terry, nothing he could do about that, he was playing well and had to go off injured :o
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Quality postings and good to see valid points being raised, without animosity if someone has a slightly different perspective.

KC's injury could be a blessing in disguise. More than anyone, KC is aware of his limitations to perform in the Premiership week in and week out, at the level required.
This is what the whole Matty situation during the summer revolved around. Both KC and Matty agree that KC could not manage a full season, at pace and injury free. Matty was concerned all the monies were being thrown at midfield and forwards with SB perhaps forgetting C/B issues. They are both solid and genuine pro's, who are honest in their opinions. SB tried to pursuade KC to sign another contract and that he had another couple of years at 1st team level. KC feels different and wants to see how he copes with the current season. KC does not believe he has another Premier season in him after this season, and is also concerned how well he will contribute at the level he expects of himself for the current season. KC is a top man. All he is concerned with is not letting the team down and helping Blues to the next level.
Matty and KC have total respect for each other, and understand (they believe) the current requirements at C/B in the Premiership. That is why neither have signed new contracts.
Matty is placing trust in SB, in that SB believes he has adequate cover and long term quality already in-house with Taylor, Bruce and Painter et al. It remains to be seen. If SB is correct, and there is (by then) proven cover and long term potential of a good C/B partnership, then Matty will sign another contract in January. If things don't work out and there is still no replacement for KC during the January window, then Matty will not sign and will be on his bike during next summer at the latest.

Whatever happens through all of this, on a personal note I would really like to see KC stay and remain part of the Blues backroom staff long term.

KRO
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richinio
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Aug 3 2005, 08:16 PM
Quality postings and good to see valid points being raised, without animosity if someone has a slightly different perspective.

KC's injury could be a blessing in disguise. More than anyone, KC is aware of his limitations to perform in the Premiership week in and week out, at the level required.
This is what the whole Matty situation during the summer revolved around. Both KC and Matty agree that KC could not manage a full season, at pace and injury free. Matty was concerned all the monies were being thrown at midfield and forwards with SB perhaps forgetting C/B issues. They are both solid and genuine pro's, who are honest in their opinions. SB tried to pursuade KC to sign another contract and that he had another couple of years at 1st team level. KC feels different and wants to see how he copes with the current season. KC does not believe he has another Premier season in him after this season, and is also concerned how well he will contribute at the level he expects of himself for the current season. KC is a top man. All he is concerned with is not letting the team down and helping Blues to the next level.
Matty and KC have total respect for each other, and understand (they believe) the current requirements at C/B in the Premiership. That is why neither have signed new contracts.
Matty is placing trust in SB, in that SB believes he has adequate cover and long term quality already in-house with Taylor, Bruce and Painter et al. It remains to be seen. If SB is correct, and there is (by then) proven cover and long term potential of a good C/B partnership, then Matty will sign another contract in January. If things don't work out and there is still no replacement for KC during the January window, then Matty will not sign and will be on his bike during next summer at the latest.

Whatever happens through all of this, on a personal note I would really like to see KC stay and remain part of the Blues backroom staff long term.

KRO


That's interesting.

Will SB give someone, like Taylor, a sufficient run in the team to determine if they have what it takes?

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Aug 3 2005, 01:55 PM
Could we get Huth on loan?

Thats a good question and worth looking into imo. Also, Dellas is available on a free. Tudor, Wes Brown, O'Shea, and Jagielka are some other options. With that said we also have some talented young defenders already in house. KRO
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I think that it's worth giving Taylor a run. I thought that he did ok last season, but a centre half really needs a run of games to build up understanding with the rest of the defence.

I can't really see any point in signing somebody to replace KC until we know whether Taylor is good enough. If he never gets a run of games we will never know if he can cut it & he will end up going elsewhere for first team football.
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