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BRUCE OUT!; you knew it was coming!
Topic Started: Aug 23 2005, 09:50 PM (1,243 Views)
Tilton_Rifle
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Aug 23 2005, 10:34 PM
4. We no longer have the crowd behind us, we need that back. - TRUE, BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN UNLESS THE TEAM / MANAGER EARN IT

8. I would rather have Forssell and Pandiani than Baros and Phillips anyday. - WHY? FORRSS AND PANDIANI ARE GOOD PLAYERS, BUT SO ARE PHILLIPS AND BAROS. YOU'RE FOOLING YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOOD PLAYERS.

9. Who cares about the vile? - EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD. DERBIES AND LOCAL RIVALRY DO MATTER

4. True but it wouldnt hurt to try and make St Andys a wall of noise to try and inspire something within our team would it, surely as supporters we want what is best for the club and getting behind the team can only improve things!

8. Yes they are good players, however Forssell and Pandiani are much better, therefore I would much rather have them.

9. Yes it does matter, but im sick and tired of hearing "Vile this" and "Vile that", lets focus on us for a change and how we can sort this mess out
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Bruce has taken us further than any other manager in recent history.

Our best ever finish was 6th in the top flight, last season's 12th and before that 10th are fantastic finsihes considering what we've had before.



Taken us as far as possible? Who the f**k do you think we are? Man Utd? Spurs? Arsenal?

We've been a top flight club 4 years and struggled for at least 35 years before that. We are not underachieving. As a club we're doing just fine.

Who else is going to do any better?

Bruce is attracting World class players from World class clubs for decent fees and wages.

Players like Dugarry, Upson, Butt, Melchiot, Pandiani, Jarosik, Forssell and others are leaving bigger clubs to join us because we have a great manager who fills them full of optimism for the future.

It is Steve Bruce who is attracting international players to BCFC not the board, the club or the fans.

Who else is available to do the job Bruce does?
Don't bother saying O'neil because he only left Celtic to look after his sick wife so he isn't available at all.
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Ok, here's my take on all this.

I have said all summer, in fact for well over a year now that it is obvious we are in need of a quality left back. What has Bruce done about it? Saying that Gray or Lazaridis can cover there is wrong, they are not left backs, nor may I add is Oliver Tebily.

That for me is the tip of the ice-berg.

Look at the results and performances from pre season. I'm sorry but you can't go to places like Northampton and QPR and get turned over, despite splitting the squad.

A comment from after the game last night from Bruce, and I quote:

"I just thought that we ran out of ideas and we had too many players injured or running on empty"

WHAT???????

Lets start with running out of ideas shall we? Surely, as a proffesional football club, they would have a pre match plan to take into the game to combat any potential problems, and if that doesn't go well, then it is up to the manager to make changes, be they tactical or personel.

Secondly, he brings up injuries. Here we go again. Isn't that the point of having a squad? And how many players are actually injured by the way?

Finally, and this is what really wound me up when I read it, was the players were running on 'EMPTY'. Empty for christ sake. It's only the 3rd game of the season, what the hell have they been doing all pre season, I thought these guys were supposed to be fit athletes?

I'm afraid to say it, but I think Bruce is the one who is running out of ideas and running on empty.

One more thing. For me, it's no co-incidence that we were tactically at our best when Mark Bowen was with us.

So, do I agree with the Bruce OUT chants? Simply, I don't know, all I do know is I'm becoming increasingly worried and dissapointed.......and i'll bet you a pound to a penney The board are feeling the same way.
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Aug 24 2005, 05:14 AM
Ok, here's my take on all this.

I have said all summer, in fact for well over a year now that it is obvious we are in need of a quality left back. What has Bruce done about it? Saying that Gray or Lazaridis can cover there is wrong, they are not left backs, nor may I add is Oliver Tebily.

That for me is the tip of the ice-berg.

Look at the results and performances from pre season. I'm sorry but you can't go to places like Northampton and QPR and get turned over, despite splitting the squad.

A comment from after the game last night from Bruce, and I quote:

"I just thought that we ran out of ideas and we had too many players injured or running on empty"

WHAT???????

Lets start with running out of ideas shall we? Surely, as a proffesional football club, they would have a pre match plan to take into the game to combat any potential problems, and if that doesn't go well, then it is up to the manager to make changes, be they tactical or personel.

Secondly, he brings up injuries. Here we go again. Isn't that the point of having a squad? And how many players are actually injured by the way?

Finally, and this is what really wound me up when I read it, was the players were running on 'EMPTY'. Empty for christ sake. It's only the 3rd game of the season, what the hell have they been doing all pre season, I thought these guys were supposed to be fit athletes?

I'm afraid to say it, but I think Bruce is the one who is running out of ideas and running on empty.

One more thing. For me, it's no co-incidence that we were tactically at our best when Mark Bowen was with us.

So, do I agree with the Bruce OUT chants? Simply, I don't know, all I do know is I'm becoming increasingly worried and dissapointed.......and i'll bet you a pound to a penney The board are feeling the same way.

Quality post,Blue bear

I,too can't help notice the 'downturn' since Mark Bowen departed
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Aug 23 2005, 10:06 PM
We were so poor tonight its hard to put up much of an argument against the Bruce outs brigade.

My only problem with that is who could we get who would do a better job???

If anyone has any suggestions of a top manager than is currently available and would want to come to us then id support sacking Bruce tomorrow.

I fear there is no-one out there at the moment though so we might as well stick with Bruce for a while longer.

Bobby Robson? as a stop gap for a year, he did a better job at newcastle than sourpuss has done, he would comand respect in the dressing room and his avaliable.
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Aug 23 2005, 09:50 PM
All Brucey has had in his years at blues is support and he has delivered nothing but a few laughs on vile, and then he says "well if i do no good this season i'll just get a job in t.v", Does that sound like an enthusiastic manager to you, a manager who cares if the team is going to progress. We have the money, the players, the crowd but not the manager. Birmingham City are in no way a one season wonder, but steve bruce definately is. I'm sitting here saying he needs to buy him and sell him and try that tactic, i'm sitting here saying he needs to go get that t.v job before he loses the one he's got, or hopefully leaves the club by mutual consent. wigan, huddersfield and palace we're right to give him the sack. Bad signings, Bad Sales, Bad tactics, Bad formation BAD MANAGER. It makes me sick to see the scum at B6 bringing in a should be blue nose, sitting pretty above us. PACK YOUR BAGS, BRUCE OUT!

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Oh no the ship is sinking lets Jump the ship,oh please give it a rest Brucy out what a joke!!
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Aug 24 2005, 06:57 AM
Oh no the ship is sinking lets Jump the ship,oh please give it a rest Brucy out what a joke!!

No. Lets just sit around doing 'jack' and go down with the ship. We could all sing a rousing chorus of 'Keep Right On..' as the Captain wanders around deck aimlessly blaming the old tars for the mess they put him in. The poor cabin boy being given the job as Midshipman may have contributed, and the cook was lousy in the role of first mate, but that's not the Captain's fault, is it?

As the waves start lapping around our ankles we can all congratulate ourselves on our loyalty. Hang on a minute, I thought it was only the Captain who went down with his ship?

As analogies go, you picked an appropriately descriptive one. :unsure:
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i dont think you was so poor, middlesbro were just awesome. they didnt let you play your game, bruce got the tactics all wrong. i have no idea why he went with the 4-5-1 to start with. if i was him, i would have gone with a 4-4-2. i would have started jarosik on the bench and you was down then bring him on. vidukas second goal was absoutely stunning.

got to be a contender for goal of the season.
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1. I think that we should give Bruce the rest of the season.

2. "We can think of anyone else" is a terrible reason for sticking with a manager.

3. It isn't about the last 3 games, it's about the last 18 months.
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The last 3 games have been indicative of the last 18 months, who can honestly say they weren't a little anxious about the drop until the final few games of last season? Think someone also point out in Bruce' defence to take look at where we finised in the last couple of seasons - 10 & 12, does anyone else spot a trend :-)

Last night was a disaster, no mistake. But to go out with such a whimper was even worse. I'm not sure what's being praticed on the trianing ground but we didn't see our a Blues player tackle until near the end of the first half. Seems the onus now is to just 'stand the man up', don't put your foot in and wait for them to make a mistake. Yup, sometimes that's the tact to take, but not ALL the time as you'll never see the ball until your back in the centre circle kicking off.

Another post has also pointed out how surprised (read 'dismayed') everyone was with the starting line up. It didn't take long for Clem to get sucked into the middle, get mixued up with Tebs and hand Boro their first.

What does Nico have to do to get a chance in the side? Maik is slow off his line, scared of coming for crosses and his kicking is woefull. The guys in front of him must be a bag of nerves.

Give Bruce 3 more to sort his muck out or ship him out and yes, as he has pointed out on numerous occasions (sadly there have been many), he is ultimately responsible for the team he puts out and the tactics they adopt on the pitch. Tactically he's still very naive - bordering on clueless at times.

Again, another previous post also notes the quality players that Bruce apparently brings in. Hang on, there may be some class there but the maority are only here because they couldn't get regular football for their previous side. How much tallent have the current managerial/coaching/scouting staff actually discovered/uncovered/nurtured themselves? Most of the talent in the youth squad up and leave after hearing 'he's too young' for the umpteenth time (is there an official age that you have to be? If you're good enough - you play!!!) or see Bruce bring in another journeyman in front of them.

There's undoubted skill in the current squad and we those noted by Bruce as being spent after 3 games :-) Unfortunatly lack of leadership on and off the pitch is taking its toll. Sorry, but at present the squad has no clue, no pride, no bottle - but there's always hope :-)
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Summed it up to me when the announced the half time draw was to be done by Killkenny, there was a young creative central midfield player in is suit when tebs had been playing in central midfield in the first half.
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Aug 24 2005, 08:20 AM
i dont think you was so poor, middlesbro were just awesome. they didnt let you play your game, bruce got the tactics all wrong. i have no idea why he went with the 4-5-1 to start with. if i was him, i would have gone with a 4-4-2. i would have started jarosik on the bench and you was down then bring him on. vidukas second goal was absoutely stunning.

got to be a contender for goal of the season.

As much as it pains me to say this, i agree with you jester.

Jarosik has not trained with the team, does not know the way we play and has no understanding with the other players.

Boro were great last night.

Out tactics were poor. Indivdually we have some great players but we seem to be stuck for ideason how to utilise these players.
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I was at the match last night and thought we looked a complete and utter shambles at times but, its only the third game of the season and I think a lot of people are panicking unduly. To say Brucie out is a joke
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Yes someone was going to start this post... I was just wondering which moron it would be!

People keep saying the quiet crowd is down to poor performances... funny how it was the reverse in our first season in prem??

SB got it wrong last night, doesn't he deserve a chance to put it right?

for all those who think SB should go, answer this sensibly… who is out there to replace him with?
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Aug 24 2005, 08:35 AM
for all those who think SB should go, answer this sensibly… who is out there to replace him with?

Martin O'neil?
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There is a manger out there Martin O'Neil who HAS WON things .... sorry Bruce but your times UP... cant leave it another fews weeks too see if we improve ...we have only played mid table teams at the moment .. wait till Chelsea...Arsenal ... but its the way we are losing...NO BOTTLE..COMMITMENT...PRIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!
We need results NOW ...NOT in a few months time when we are bottom of Prem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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August 2005.

Same tired arguments of " no manager available"

Give him more time.

Its the ref/injuries/Dunn not playing etc etc.

Sad really.

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Firstly let me say I have been a member of this forum for some time but I do not post as I feel it is dangerous to have your own oppinion.

I have been a season ticket holder for as long as I can remember and over the last 25 years I have seen some major changes at St Andrews, a lot of ups and a lot of downs. However I can honestly say these last 18 months have been the hardest. I feel sick when I watch games on TV and see ex Blues players hitting the headlines for all the right reasons. I read today that Pennant is prefered over David Beckham in the England Squad.. I had a little thought about that. When we were relegated it was reasonable to think we would loose a number of players, however why did we not offer the likes of pennant out for season long loan for premiership clubs? They would get there chance to continue in The Premership and on promtion next season (hopefully) we would probably end up with a better class of player. On, Andy Johnson, In my opinion equal too if not better than Trevor Francis. We had the chance rectify the mistake Bruce made in selling him, by buying him back last season, Yes the price would of been high due to our problems with the crystal palace board. He wanted to return to Blues!

Now to real reason for this post... Yes I believe Bruce has now run his course< I think he did a good job for us in the past however I believe in the last 18 months he has lacked vision and has lost the respect of a lot of fans and players. I also believe he is on thin ice with the board. I also believe if had been released last season around Febuary we would now still be in the Premier. Loyalty is all well and good but I do believe we will have a new manager by the end of this season so better we do it now before it gets to late..

Yes we are sitting in 2nd Place in the league, but that could all change with just one or two bad results, we could quite easily be in mid table or lower.

I say thank you very much for all you have done for us in the past Steve but unfortunatly my loyalties ly with the club and not the manager..

Feel free to dissagree with my opinions but remember we all have our own thoughts and we do not need to get personal...
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Oct 1 2006, 07:23 PM
I believe Bruce has now run his course< I think he did a good job for us in the past however I believe in the last 18 months he has lacked vision and has lost the respect of a lot of fans and players. I also believe he is on thin ice with the board. I also believe if had been released last season around Febuary we would now still be in the Premier. Loyalty is all well and good but I do believe we will have a new manager by the end of this season so better we do it now before it gets to late..

Yes we are sitting in 2nd Place in the league, but that could all change with just one or two bad results, we could quite easily be in mid table or lower.

I say thank you very much for all you have done for us in the past Steve but unfortunatly my loyalties ly with the club and not the manager..

agree with every word of that

(except that i would sacked him in december to give the new manager a chance to bring in some players)
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Lasor, not being able to watch the lads regularly in recent years I can't disagree with any of that. It seems to encapsulate the general feeling on the forum.

But, to compare AJ to TF? Come on. AJ is an excellent striker, now playing to his max potential. TF was a one-off with sublime skills, and Blues had his best years.

All imo of course.
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Oct 1 2006, 08:44 PM

But, to compare AJ to TF? Come on. AJ is an excellent striker, now playing to his max potential. TF was a one-off with sublime skills, and Blues had his best years.


Totally Agree. TF had his best years at the blues and I believe he went to Notts forest just at the right time. However this does sort of make my point. I think AJ has his best years too come unfortunatly they will not be at the Blues..

Just my opinion.. <_<
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Oct 1 2006, 08:07 PM

(except that i would sacked him in december to give the new manager a chance to bring in some players)


I take your point, however My personal Opinion is we had the players that were capable of keeping us up, we just didnt have the desire and I believe a change of manager would of forced a few players to fight for their places and impress the new manager
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Did you read some of the pro-Brucie comments ?

Hilarious, word for word exactly the same cliches and tripe that they are spinning now.

Doesn't anyone actually grow, or develop their attitudes ? All that seems to have been after the Boro game or Man City, a year ago. And you have the same excuses, this after a dreadful season. A 7-0 defeat and relegation.

And some of thoses posters are still in denial. They think he needs more time. Anyone who is anti-Brucie is a viler.
Theres no one available.

The comments about O'Neil are priceless.

Amazing.

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TIME TO GO BRUCIE
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